Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

"both oponents were rather passive pf mostly limping and calling"

Are we reading the same hand?

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

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"both oponents were rather passive pf mostly limping and calling"

Are we reading the same hand?

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I was just looking at the stats. This is also a btn, sb, bb situations which changes the dynamics. Calling may be better and shoving good flops depending on how spewy they are post flop.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

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"both oponents were rather passive pf mostly limping and calling"

Are we reading the same hand?

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I was just looking at the stats. This is also a btn, sb, bb situations which changes the dynamics. Calling may be better and shoving good flops depending on how spewy they are post flop.

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Yo, 51/12s don't 3-bet light, and they probably don't even care that it's BSB.

If you're gonna fold turn, fold flop because he's not gonna give up all that often and just check it down.

Since you called flop, call turn. Nothing changed.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

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Yo, 51/12s don't 3-bet light

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Them not 3 betting light is an argument in favor of four betting not against it. We are hoping they have AQ, AJ, JJ, etc and felt it pre since villain probably doesn't have a fold button.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

I'm lost like a 5yo igloo kid in the center of Manhattan.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

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"both oponents were rather passive pf mostly limping and calling"

Are we reading the same hand?

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I was just looking at the stats. This is also a btn, sb, bb situations which changes the dynamics. Calling may be better and shoving good flops depending on how spewy they are post flop.

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Yo, 51/12s don't 3-bet light, and they probably don't even care that it's BSB.

If you're gonna fold turn, fold flop because he's not gonna give up all that often and just check it down.

Since you called flop, call turn. Nothing changed.

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doesn't the fact that he bets turn tell me he does not have AK and I am beat?

is calling down as if this was WA/WB better than shovin flop?

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

Its not about calling turn. Its about calling flop. Why would you give a 6 outer a free card? If its an aggro opponent how 3bets light - thats fine. Not against a fish.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

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Yo, 51/12s don't 3-bet light

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Them not 3 betting light is an argument in favor of four betting not against it. We are hoping they have AQ, AJ, JJ, etc and felt it pre since villain probably doesn't have a fold button.

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I don't like that thinking because they're only RAISING 12% of their hands, so I'm guessing AJ and AQ are more calling hands for them. Maybe he 3-bets JJ, but prob not.

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Its not about calling turn. Its about calling flop. Why would you give a 6 outer a free card? If its an aggro opponent how 3bets light - thats fine. Not against a fish.

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Yeah I think I like raising flop.

Re: NL50 - folding overpair in 3bet pot
 

you have an overpair vs. two retards. the rest is relatively insignificant.