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Bigmoney 10-31-2007 12:42 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
just bet

all these weird lines on drawy boards just beg to be called because its a draw most often

MoP_86 10-31-2007 01:00 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 

Speedlimits 10-31-2007 01:11 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
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just don't bet

all these optimal lines on drawy boards just beg to maximize expectation

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Unknown Soldier 10-31-2007 01:12 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
except c/c then shove sucks

Unknown Soldier 10-31-2007 01:13 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
b/f is certainly fine, unless you have the odds to call a raise obv. havent worke it out.

HoldEmNewby 10-31-2007 01:18 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
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just don't bet

all these optimal lines on drawy boards just beg to maximize expectation

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I agree with your flop check as anyone who calls a 3bet preflop is rarely folding this flop (unless we were deep). I just don't like the check-raise as villain will call often. c/c leading any turn J+ looks good. If you hit your straight i'd check again.

Speedlimits 10-31-2007 01:22 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
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b/f is certainly fine, unless you have the odds to call a raise obv. havent worke it out.

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b/f isn't fine at all. it's the worst possible option given our pf play. checking here looks like i'm giving up on the hand and will induce overcards/weak made hands to bet. These hands have tons of real equity vs me and some will even shove if i bet, which is horrible for us. The objective is to extract the most out of overs while at the same time increasing my fold equity. Bet/call accomplishes NONE of these objectives and is in fact the worst possible line.

Speedlimits 10-31-2007 01:24 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
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just don't bet

all these optimal lines on drawy boards just beg to maximize expectation

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I agree with your flop check as anyone who calls a 3bet preflop is rarely folding this flop (unless we were deep). I just don't like the check-raise as villain will call often. c/c leading any turn J+ looks good. If you hit your straight i'd check again.

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i agree with everything except villain calling a c/r often.

I'm not saying my line is the best because I think it's 2nd best. I'm saying my line is infinitely better than b/c.

HoldEmNewby 10-31-2007 01:32 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
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just don't bet

all these optimal lines on drawy boards just beg to maximize expectation

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I agree with your flop check as anyone who calls a 3bet preflop is rarely folding this flop (unless we were deep). I just don't like the check-raise as villain will call often. c/c leading any turn J+ looks good. If you hit your straight i'd check again.

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i agree with everything except villain calling a c/r often.

I'm not saying my line is the best because I think it's 2nd worst. I'm saying my line is infinitely better than b/c.

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FYP

Unknown Soldier 10-31-2007 01:35 PM

Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
 
Look at your opponent, it's not like he's agro. He'll fold enough to make a bet profitable and prob won't shove AK and he'll probably call just call with JJ/99


if he is agro and you have been messing about then crai is fine.

c/c then shove is just terrible though.


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