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wow - SB cold calls first time around, and then re-raises... why the hell would any of you guys put him on a premium hand

easy push imo, you are most likely 50/50 at worst and killing him at best.

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also - if UTG raiser made a real raise, you have a case for calling pre-flop, but the min-raise pf means a mandatory 3-bet pre-flop. i don't think this is even debatable - do you know how wide people's ranges are for calling min-raises? it's HUGE - no way i let them see a flop for cheap and then have no idea where I am.

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Back to the actual hand, what sorta range do we put SB on?
IMO he never has QQ-AA here, JJ I think is a possibility but I think this is AJ, AQ, KQ, lower PP etc.
Given the dead money and the fact he is a shortstack (another reason to widen his range) I think I can shove as an +EV play.
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I think it's KK+ sometimes, and AK a lot. He is shortstack but you also have the button who is super deep left to act behind you, and there's no guarantee he won't cold call or even shove. I still think this is a fold.

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wow - SB cold calls first time around, and then re-raises... why the hell would any of you guys put him on a premium hand

easy push imo, you are most likely 50/50 at worst and killing him at best.

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against what range exactly?

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wow - SB cold calls first time around, and then re-raises... why the hell would any of you guys put him on a premium hand

easy push imo, you are most likely 50/50 at worst and killing him at best.

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against what range exactly?

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I've seen players do this with a ridiculously wide range, but w/o a read on this guy it's hard to say. But against an unknown I'm including all pocket pairs, most suited Aces and broadway cards.

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wow - SB cold calls first time around, and then re-raises... why the hell would any of you guys put him on a premium hand

easy push imo, you are most likely 50/50 at worst and killing him at best.

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against what range exactly?

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well, let's see, he cold calls pre-flop from the SB, where he will be completely OOP against 3 opponents for the rest of the hand and then pushes over the top only when OP re-raises? A premium hand makes no sense to me here unless he's ridiculously bad.

When I think about it more, I think we are most likely killing his range, which would be weighted highly towards 22-TT, with a very minority range of JJ+, AT+

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A premium hand makes no sense to me here unless he's ridiculously bad.

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first hand at table!

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so you assume all your opponents are ridiculously bad when you play?

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so you assume all your opponents are ridiculously bad when you play?

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Ha, I have no solid advice here that hasn't already been shared, but I think SB has already est himself as ridiculously bad no matter what he holds.

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so you assume all your opponents are ridiculously bad when you play?

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Ha, I have no solid advice here that hasn't already been shared, but I think SB has already est himself as ridiculously bad no matter what he holds.

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agreed but that doesnt make a call any more correct