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OP, the question you pose is a difficult one that unfotunately doesnt have one clear answer, many people have definitions of what they think a pro is. The simple definition of a pro in poker in my opinion is one who derives his income, and pays his living expenses with poker. I think the question your asking is how do we all do that the most efficiently, and my answer is this: live a balanced life, and have good time management skills. You need to balance a social life, cards, and school, and you other hobbies etc together well your going to be an effective player (and human being) . Most importantly i think its very important to get out in the real world a lot, which includes meeting and making a lot of aquantinces since it can be easy to be confinded to your desk doing what we do for a living, which is an unhealthy lifestyle. Lastly, and i think aba mentioned this in his blog or videos, but imo working out and regular excercize is key, not only for longevity or for health reasons, but it keeps you more focued and sharp for your sessions.

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a pro can be some degen loser who grinds out 10k a year and is too dumb/lazy to get a job or it can be patrik antonius, and anything in between.

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Joe the pro has all the answers of being a pro internet poker player.

Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9hgQBGsfs

Episode 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUdmvgbeyi4
Episode 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJkYc0nPMy4
Episode 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyx7djE-VwY
Episode 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-sWivOtnrk

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If i cared about this i would be reading NVG or BBV

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Ok i get your point. Maybe you care more about this?

http://smouch.net/lol

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Ban.

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Limon can you please expand on that, Im sure its something not any of us are doing.

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in my experience most wanna be pros start out thinking their gonna love playing poker forever and so they never prepare for that day when it all comes crashing down. so when they make their first 50k playing 5-10nl or whatever they just move up to the next highest limit that they can barely afford. so even though they are moving up limits their lifestyle isnt changing and they still have all thier eggs in one basket. this is bad for financial and psychological reasons. inevitably they go on a massive losing streak and because they were always playing right on the edge of what they could afford it buries them. now they have to work their way out of this hole and it becomes a horrible grind, many go on life tilt at this point. fully coming to the realization of how many hours theyre gonna have to put in ,they borrow money (from people like me) to make a quick hit and then really get stuck. a smarter plan would be to move up slower and invest on the way so you never have to do any one thing to survive. sooooo, instead of jumping straight from 5-10 to 10-20 buy a little triplex. instead of jumping straight from 10-20 to 25-50 buy a laundromat or a parking lot. instead of buying into 20 events at the wsop parter w/ someone in a business venture that you find interesting. instead of playing 70 hours a week play 40 and get a part time job you really enjoy (i still do golf club repair to this day). keep your ears open at the casino for opportunites, (one of my biggest f-ups was not partnering w/ co owner of an l.a. casino who was starting an offshore sportsbook a decade ago), pretty soon you realize that you never have to play poker again...then your poker game becomes unbeatable and you see the grinders in a totally different way. i guarantee you 10 years from now the "winners" who post on 2+2 will NOT be the guys playing 6 screens 80 hours a week at higher and higher stakes. it will be the guys who are writing books or software or starting "poker schools" and it wont be because they made a fortune doing any of these things it will be because they diversified early and stepped out of the boom/bust cycle.

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Limon can you please expand on that, Im sure its something not any of us are doing.

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in my experience most wanna be pros start out thinking their gonna love playing poker forever and so they never prepare for that day when it all comes crashing down. so when they make their first 50k playing 5-10nl or whatever they just move up to the next highest limit that they can barely afford. so even though they are moving up limits their lifestyle isnt changing and they still have all thier eggs in one basket. this is bad for financial and psychological reasons. inevitably they go on a massive losing streak and because they were always playing right on the edge of what they could afford it buries them. now they have to work their way out of this hole and it becomes a horrible grind, many go on life tilt at this point. fully coming to the realization of how many hours theyre gonna have to put in ,they borrow money (from people like me) to make a quick hit and then really get stuck. a smarter plan would be to move up slower and invest on the way so you never have to do any one thing to survive. sooooo, instead of jumping straight from 5-10 to 10-20 buy a little triplex. instead of jumping straight from 10-20 to 25-50 buy a laundromat or a parking lot. instead of buying into 20 events at the wsop parter w/ someone in a business venture that you find interesting. instead of playing 70 hours a week play 40 and get a part time job you really enjoy (i still do golf club repair to this day). keep your ears open at the casino for opportunites, (one of my biggest f-ups was not partnering w/ co owner of an l.a. casino who was starting an offshore sportsbook a decade ago), pretty soon you realize that you never have to play poker again...then your poker game becomes unbeatable and you see the grinders in a totally different way. i guarantee you 10 years from now the "winners" who post on 2+2 will NOT be the guys playing 6 screens 80 hours a week at higher and higher stakes. it will be the guys who are writing books or software or starting "poker schools" and it wont be because they made a fortune doing any of these things it will be because they diversified early and stepped out of the boom/bust cycle.

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<<<New goal and perspective set, thanks for the awesome breakdown!

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Limon can you please expand on that, Im sure its something not any of us are doing.

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in my experience most wanna be pros start out thinking their gonna love playing poker forever and so they never prepare for that day when it all comes crashing down. so when they make their first 50k playing 5-10nl or whatever they just move up to the next highest limit that they can barely afford. so even though they are moving up limits their lifestyle isnt changing and they still have all thier eggs in one basket. this is bad for financial and psychological reasons. inevitably they go on a massive losing streak and because they were always playing right on the edge of what they could afford it buries them. now they have to work their way out of this hole and it becomes a horrible grind, many go on life tilt at this point. fully coming to the realization of how many hours theyre gonna have to put in ,they borrow money (from people like me) to make a quick hit and then really get stuck. a smarter plan would be to move up slower and invest on the way so you never have to do any one thing to survive. sooooo, instead of jumping straight from 5-10 to 10-20 buy a little triplex. instead of jumping straight from 10-20 to 25-50 buy a laundromat or a parking lot. instead of buying into 20 events at the wsop parter w/ someone in a business venture that you find interesting. instead of playing 70 hours a week play 40 and get a part time job you really enjoy (i still do golf club repair to this day). keep your ears open at the casino for opportunites, (one of my biggest f-ups was not partnering w/ co owner of an l.a. casino who was starting an offshore sportsbook a decade ago), pretty soon you realize that you never have to play poker again...then your poker game becomes unbeatable and you see the grinders in a totally different way. i guarantee you 10 years from now the "winners" who post on 2+2 will NOT be the guys playing 6 screens 80 hours a week at higher and higher stakes. it will be the guys who are writing books or software or starting "poker schools" and it wont be because they made a fortune doing any of these things it will be because they diversified early and stepped out of the boom/bust cycle.

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i dont say this often but great post

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Limon can you please expand on that, Im sure its something not any of us are doing.

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in my experience most wanna be pros start out thinking their gonna love playing poker forever and so they never prepare for that day when it all comes crashing down. so when they make their first 50k playing 5-10nl or whatever they just move up to the next highest limit that they can barely afford. so even though they are moving up limits their lifestyle isnt changing and they still have all thier eggs in one basket. this is bad for financial and psychological reasons. inevitably they go on a massive losing streak and because they were always playing right on the edge of what they could afford it buries them. now they have to work their way out of this hole and it becomes a horrible grind, many go on life tilt at this point. fully coming to the realization of how many hours theyre gonna have to put in ,they borrow money (from people like me) to make a quick hit and then really get stuck. a smarter plan would be to move up slower and invest on the way so you never have to do any one thing to survive. sooooo, instead of jumping straight from 5-10 to 10-20 buy a little triplex. instead of jumping straight from 10-20 to 25-50 buy a laundromat or a parking lot. instead of buying into 20 events at the wsop parter w/ someone in a business venture that you find interesting. instead of playing 70 hours a week play 40 and get a part time job you really enjoy (i still do golf club repair to this day). keep your ears open at the casino for opportunites, (one of my biggest f-ups was not partnering w/ co owner of an l.a. casino who was starting an offshore sportsbook a decade ago), pretty soon you realize that you never have to play poker again...then your poker game becomes unbeatable and you see the grinders in a totally different way. i guarantee you 10 years from now the "winners" who post on 2+2 will NOT be the guys playing 6 screens 80 hours a week at higher and higher stakes. it will be the guys who are writing books or software or starting "poker schools" and it wont be because they made a fortune doing any of these things it will be because they diversified early and stepped out of the boom/bust cycle.

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i dont say this often but great post

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Limon can you please expand on that, Im sure its something not any of us are doing.

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in my experience most wanna be pros start out thinking their gonna love playing poker forever and so they never prepare for that day when it all comes crashing down. so when they make their first 50k playing 5-10nl or whatever they just move up to the next highest limit that they can barely afford. so even though they are moving up limits their lifestyle isnt changing and they still have all thier eggs in one basket. this is bad for financial and psychological reasons. inevitably they go on a massive losing streak and because they were always playing right on the edge of what they could afford it buries them. now they have to work their way out of this hole and it becomes a horrible grind, many go on life tilt at this point. fully coming to the realization of how many hours theyre gonna have to put in ,they borrow money (from people like me) to make a quick hit and then really get stuck. a smarter plan would be to move up slower and invest on the way so you never have to do any one thing to survive. sooooo, instead of jumping straight from 5-10 to 10-20 buy a little triplex. instead of jumping straight from 10-20 to 25-50 buy a laundromat or a parking lot. instead of buying into 20 events at the wsop parter w/ someone in a business venture that you find interesting. instead of playing 70 hours a week play 40 and get a part time job you really enjoy (i still do golf club repair to this day). keep your ears open at the casino for opportunites, (one of my biggest f-ups was not partnering w/ co owner of an l.a. casino who was starting an offshore sportsbook a decade ago), pretty soon you realize that you never have to play poker again...then your poker game becomes unbeatable and you see the grinders in a totally different way. i guarantee you 10 years from now the "winners" who post on 2+2 will NOT be the guys playing 6 screens 80 hours a week at higher and higher stakes. it will be the guys who are writing books or software or starting "poker schools" and it wont be because they made a fortune doing any of these things it will be because they diversified early and stepped out of the boom/bust cycle.

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Or you could sign on with IMG World who, for a price, would help you with this.

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Thanks limon alot to think about

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What always surprises me is the number of people that read a post like limon's, say "wow, that's some deep [censored]", think about it for a few weeks, then go on to the ruinous path he describes anyway. Some people just have to go through it to believe it.