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just open shove the turn, its what id do

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oh, type in "time to be a hero b,tch"

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just open shove the turn, its what id do

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this isn't very good at all

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really impressive chatbox trashtalking. if only there were some way i could scrounge up 3k to fly to boston and take my trashtalking to the next level

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just open shove the turn, its what id do

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this isn't very good at all

[/ QUOTE ]win 20BI at 2.00/4.00 in a few wks and now ur apparently rhe authority on nl, lolol

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really impressive chatbox trashtalking. if only there were some way i could scrounge up 3k to fly to boston and take my trashtalking to the next level

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Actually, trashtalking is not apart of my game. Not sure where the vehemence is coming from. But it was meant in a funny way. If you got offended, you probably should lighten up, but my apologies either way.

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just open shove the turn, its what id do

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this isn't very good at all

[/ QUOTE ]win 20BI at 2.00/4.00 in a few wks and now ur apparently rhe authority on nl, lolol

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fair point, but at 2/4 players are terrible at balancing for the most part

Re: help i suck
 

i would also openshove turn

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er, i lol'ed at the comment. i was just imagining how great it would be if trashtalking were part of a coach's curriculum

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just open shove the turn, its what id do

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this isn't very good at all

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fair point, but at 2/4 players are terrible at balancing for the most part

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fwiw, it would help for you to maybe explain why it's terrible, but to me it looks like this is our one shot at making a pair fold. if he has better then that (say QQ+) he's not going anywhere. our hand has too much equity to c/f, and the consensus is that c/r is bad because villain will pot commit himself with the same stuff we're trying to fold out. (as in, top pair, underpair, whatever) I'd likely stack a donk here with a real hand, some of the time, and I agree, balancing is moot. So, we're looking in a vacuum how to maximize EV this hand, and the answer IF WHAT IS ABOVE IS TRUE is to bet.

For me, with these stack sizes, alot of bets are awkward given how much would be left behind and for the river, like if you bet too small it could look like you're pricing yourself in or setting a cheap showdown (and could get moved in, which would eliminate any FE and reduce your situation to a gamble you must take but it hikes up variance) and alot of "bigger" bets are pretty similar to this. so again, i just shove and am happy doing so.