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SuperUberBob 10-17-2007 02:07 PM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
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I don't mind a large re-raise, but I do mind shoving in the dark.

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If you were his opponent in the hand, how would you interpret the dark shove?

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Hard to say. I've never had an opponent shove blind before against me. I'd probably think AK or some ace high hand. Maybe a mid pair.

But that doesn't matter much here. Yang doesn't think that way. He sees a hand, jams and literally prays for it to hold.

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wow.. before i came to this site .. i never knew anyone could watch someone play poker on television, and "know what he's thinking". that you know how Jerry Yang thinks is impressive.

i'll make sure to watch for any future post you may make. maybe you know how some other people think too!

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Why thank you! I am that good.

I also watched the entire FT on PPV and saw every hand of that final table. So yes, I am qualified enough to assess Jerry's play.

technologic 10-17-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
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"Jerry Yang is opening for so much pre-flop and there were so much dead money in the blinds and antes. If I move in there I'm adding like 30% to my stack if he folds. I wanted to remain the same temperament pre-flop and didn't want to move all-in on the flop and him get a tell and make a call and feel bad about it. I wanted to end it right there, I wanted to gain the proper equity possible. Because if he's calling with Jacks he understands he's ahead of me, so I might as well get it all in pre-flop to maintain my 48% [46%] underdog [status]. But with the dead money in the pot it's a winning play I think."
- Khan.

Not sure I agree with all of that but it was a certainly a tough spot.

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terrible reasoning since jerry seemed to be dumping his hand if an A flopped

Spurious 10-17-2007 02:26 PM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
My theory is:

Yang said:
"I cant lay this one down", therefore Khan thought: "Why dont get it in right here?" But Yang refused. Yang gave away the strength of his hand with his comment.

JDesab 10-17-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
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I don't mind a large re-raise, but I do mind shoving in the dark.

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If you were his opponent in the hand, how would you interpret the dark shove?

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Hard to say. I've never had an opponent shove blind before against me. I'd probably think AK or some ace high hand. Maybe a mid pair.

But that doesn't matter much here. Yang doesn't think that way. He sees a hand, jams and literally prays for it to hold.

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wow.. before i came to this site .. i never knew anyone could watch someone play poker on television, and "know what he's thinking". that you know how Jerry Yang thinks is impressive.

i'll make sure to watch for any future post you may make. maybe you know how some other people think too!

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Why thank you! I am that good.

I also watched the entire FT on PPV and saw every hand of that final table. So yes, I am qualified enough to assess Jerry's play.

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i watched the ppv as well. i agree with your assessment. just thought it was funny how you phrased it.

quirkasaurus 10-25-2007 09:39 AM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
i don't see why khan didn't just call Jerry's raise.
We all know jerry isn't folding anything...
We know he's hyper-aggro...
let's just see a flop and re-assess.

i think khan broke one of my major rules of final table MTT's
which is:

+) don't try to muscle the stack that can knock you out of the tourney.

Micro Donk 10-25-2007 09:41 AM

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i don't see why khan didn't just call Jerry's raise.
We all know jerry isn't folding anything...
We know he's hyper-aggro...
let's just see a flop and re-assess.

i think khan broke one of my major rules of final table MTT's
which is:

+) don't try to muscle the stack that can knock you out of the tourney.

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woohoo results orientedness!

if jerry isnt folding anything
if jerry is hyperaggro

isnt it very likely khan has the best hand and wants to get the most money in while it is?

it looks like a great double up opportunity

unlucky he ran into JJ but jerry is playing many weaker aces the same way

edit: calling pre sucks hard, especially against this type of player

GSykes 10-25-2007 09:59 AM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
I love TV Poker Forum.

quirkasaurus 10-25-2007 10:02 AM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
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i don't see why khan didn't just call Jerry's raise.
We all know jerry isn't folding anything...
We know he's hyper-aggro...
let's just see a flop and re-assess.

i think khan broke one of my major rules of final table MTT's
which is:

+) don't try to muscle the stack that can knock you out of the tourney.

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woohoo results orientedness!

if jerry isnt folding anything
if jerry is hyperaggro

isnt it very likely khan has the best hand and wants to get the most money in while it is?

it looks like a great double up opportunity

unlucky he ran into JJ but jerry is playing many weaker aces the same way

edit: calling pre sucks hard, especially against this type of player

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ah... yeah... results orientated... i don't like risking my
whole stack against the only player who can afford to
call my all-ins with anything and probably will...

that's hardly results orientated.

may i point out the style of the 2nd place finisher ( Tran? )
who took home $4 Million? and just carefully folded his
way to 2nd ?

TheCount212 10-25-2007 11:38 AM

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 
I think the best play for Khan is to call and reassess on the flop.. I agree that you have to assume the big stack is going to put your tourney at risk. The push dark I don't like, but if he's trying to signal a big hand with a stop and go sort of move I guess it's ok... but it was clear that Yang was going to call and race him down regardless.

futuredoc85 10-25-2007 01:15 PM

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I love TV Poker Forum.

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