Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Buzz, I'm finding it hard to believe that a man of your vast poker knowledge has never heard of "the rule of 4 and 2"????

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Hi Count - I have the feeling that you're pulling my leg, but I'll bite.

What is the rule of 4 and 2?

Buzz

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

OMG...

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

It's a Texas Hold'em rule of thumb, why should it be relevant here?

Buzz is hard core Omaholic!

Then you've got split pots to consider, so go figure...

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Um, it's a POKER rule of thumb... the kind of poker played with a five-card community board. But you go right ahead and ignore it. Please.

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Texas Hold'em ain't Poker!

Just add up all the seen cards on the flop, and relate outs to % figures and you'll realise the MisCount.

Then also in a game where the 'Turn' is so fickle, why would you be interested in '4' at all, you gonna draw multi-way on a str8 or flush with a paired board?

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Obviously a paired board makes a straight or flush draw highly unprofitable, so the outs wouldn't count.
Like I said, don't use the rule. I did, and came up with the same number as Buzz in much less time.

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

That rule is not accurate for Omaha, even if you can't figure out any of your opponents cards; when you can it's significantly worse.

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

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Any 6, 7, or 8 with two cards to come wins us nut low. That's 12 outs x 4 = 48% chance of hitting. No brainer.

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Let's not worry about a 'bust' cards (turn or river) card then.
Let's not consider the chances of our Nut Lo being duplicated, causing us to be quartered.

We'll just say 48% and fire away!

Note, I'm not disagreeing with playing decision, just the assumption that the rule of thumb is of any value, for a good player.

Re: I still don\'t get these low only hands
 

Actually there are 4 cards that still make our nut low (4s) and 3 that ruin it (3s). A conservative estimate is that they cancel each other out.. thus leaving 12 outs to hitting our nut low. So the estimate is perfectly valid.

Hold 'em and Omaha are both games where the number of unseen cards and the number of seen cards are exactly the same. So the Rule of 4 and 2 applies to both. Your saying it doesn't makes no sense, and a "good" player could see that immediately.
Any evidence to refute this, besides you just saying that it doesn't apply?