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terp 09-21-2007 06:38 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
jay you played this well

MURK 09-21-2007 06:41 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
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wtf is a kissing cousin?

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it's kinda clever.

Spy Dog 09-21-2007 09:21 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
You have the implied odds to call, especially when the SB can call and supplement the pot. Maybe it's not worth it HU, but you are still 3-way when it's your decision.

Jay Riall 09-21-2007 11:47 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
Meh, what does SBs hand looks like a midpair very very often here, which he is very unlikely to overcall a $66 bet with on the turn.

Jay Riall 09-21-2007 11:50 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
Everyone who wants to continue with the hand, how would a blank falling on the turn affect your decision?

ama0330 09-21-2007 11:58 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
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Everyone who wants to continue with the hand, how would a blank falling on the turn affect your decision?

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They would all instafold which is why they are wrong because the ace on the turn doesn't really improve us at all versus villains range. He likely has us drawing dead to an ace anyway if he has a set and I dont rate our 2pr outs either

Noam Chomsky 09-21-2007 11:59 AM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
I play it the same.

FGators 09-21-2007 12:02 PM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
This isn't the guy to raise the flop against. There is likely zero FE as well, we know his description.

I probably end up calling the turn here because I'm in love with my hand but yeah, its really not that strong when you are up against a set.

Nielsio 09-21-2007 12:19 PM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
I was sweating my cousin and told her to 3-barrel-bluff all the two plus two donks, because nits always have the goods ldo.

SilentNoise 09-21-2007 12:22 PM

Re: Big fold with top pair and nfd
 
BB's lead into the field on that board looks pretty strong.

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i'd call because of how you played flop and since A is a good bluff card for villain

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Jay said that BB was a nit. What hand is BB going to lead out into the field on this drawy board, that is then helped by the turn? Mayyyybe A9? Is it a nit calling preflop with that? I guess if its suited, with the few callers before him.

BB must be well aware of his image at the table. He cant expect Jay to put him on any hand that is helped by the A except A9s imo.

At the same time you dont really wanna stack off with just an Ace here. I dont think he is ever betting the turn AND betting the river as a bluff. I dont like calling turn AND calling river for this reason.

I think its safe to say that BB will give up on a blank river if you call the turn (if hes bluffing with some other combo draw or something, or a hand like TT/(JJ?) ).

So call turn/fold river.
Call turn value bet river if checked to (with just the ace)
and obv get the money in if you hit the nuts


edit: since SB is a random donk, im not too worried about him having a set. if it was some other nit who only calls from the blinds with small pairs, then i like the immediate fold on the turn since a turn c/r looks inevitable. since hes a donk hes probably got like 9T or something.


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