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emerson 09-19-2007 06:07 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
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PJ,

I like the way you wrote this up.

I like the flop call. Your position isn't very good, and your hand isn't very big. Also, the pot isn't big enough to just WAR over it IMO. Furthermore, a fair amount of people are saying they like their hand, especially the raiser. The turn card will drastically affect your equity. I like keeping the pot small so we can confidently CF gross turns or lead good ones depending on the action and what comes off

Turn bet: Ok, this is a great card for us. We need to lead here, because our hand is often best, and if it isn't, then we have an overlay with the likely callers in between.

River: lead here PLEASE.
Once button bets though, I think you should call. You have a nice chance for an overcall behind you, and button might not call your CR.

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I also like leading the river. I think you will collect two bets almost as often, by getting two callers rather than raising and getting an extra bet out of one guy. Plus you avoid it going check, check, check behind you.

Of course, I've all but given up going for river check raises, convinced that I miss more bets than I gain.

I don't know why PJ questions his turn bet. Top pair, with a flush draw?

andyfox 09-19-2007 06:38 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
I've said this before, and I know people don't believe me, but people get tied to the pot more in the 20-40 when the pot is smaller. That is, 3-betting makes them think you've got a big hand and they're more likely to fold to a turn bet than if you just called. You know what's profitable or unprofitable to call the turn, they don't.

Anacardo 09-19-2007 06:45 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
Andy,

What you're describing is very sound reasoning on their part.

You DO have to balance the considerations of pot odds vs. betting action.

Hold'em is a game of balance!

The DaveR 09-19-2007 06:47 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
I like the flop and turn. The river bricks off too many draws to check methinks.

PokerBob 09-19-2007 06:52 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
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The river bricks off too many draws to check methinks.

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what does this mean?

SNOWBALL 09-19-2007 07:01 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
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what does this mean?

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he means the river didn't make anyone else a 2nd best hand like 2 pair or a straight

PokerBob 09-19-2007 07:03 PM

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what does this mean?

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he means the river didn't make anyone else a 2nd best hand like 2 pair or a straight

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ok. well doesn't that make the river more of a check, as no one can call a bet? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

SNOWBALL 09-19-2007 07:04 PM

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ok. well doesn't that make the river more of a check, as no one can call a bet?


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Right. He is saying that the river is bad to check.

goofball 09-19-2007 07:06 PM

Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
 
PJ,

Dude nailed it, you got too fancy here. You got way too cerebral for your opponents. Stick with gas gas gas until you think you lose, then call down.

PokerBob 09-19-2007 07:07 PM

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ok. well doesn't that make the river more of a check, as no one can call a bet?


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Right. He is saying that the river is bad to check.

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huh? why is the river bad to check if no one has anything? if no one has anything, they cannot call our bet. so, the only way to get money into the pot is to check and hope they bluff at it. am i missing something here?


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