Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

if our read is that he has a wide calling range and bets too much then im check calling the river, you don't think he fires the river on a missed draw?

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

A check-raise to $55 would have left $118 behind and a pot-size of $161.

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

I puke at the cr.

As played just c/c river, atleast that way you maybe, maybe induce a bluff from something you beat ( missed fd).

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

i love the turn c/r

it'll fold out AJ/AQ always against a good player

very nice bluffing

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

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i love the turn c/r

it'll fold out AJ/AQ always against a good player

very nice bluffing

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hes clearly not looking at this hand as a bluff

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

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i love the turn c/r

it'll fold out AJ/AQ always against a good player

very nice bluffing

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hes clearly not looking at this hand as a bluff

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that's why i was being ironical

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

I will definetely throw it away after he calls the check raise. I mean if he calls that raise what can you beat? He either made a terrible call with a flush draw or he has you beat with two pair, AK, set...

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

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i love the turn c/r

it'll fold out AJ/AQ always against a good player

very nice bluffing

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hes clearly not looking at this hand as a bluff

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that's why i was being ironical

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Even so, villain has AK/AQ like never in this spot.

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

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i love the turn c/r

it'll fold out AJ/AQ always against a good player

very nice bluffing

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Turn: ($51) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $21.00

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Clearly AJ/AQ, and clearly a good player

Re: it is a mess, and i did create it; tpmk
 

i think its extremely thin, but against this oppenent i still think it is for value even with the river bet.