Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

well nobody's folding AK but i disagree completely about nobody folding JJ, that's probably the hand that different lines are looking to fold out

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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so josh and i did some math on this and found out he has to fold roughly 59% for this to breakeven. i think thats lowe enough to the point where this is +ev.

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The thing that makes me skeptical about this is that if we shove, villain's range for calling is like QQ+, AK, sometimes AQ and JJ, so our hand is about the same as 22. Are you gonna shove any pair here?

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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well nobody's folding AK but i disagree completely about nobody folding JJ, that's probably the hand that different lines are looking to fold out

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lolllll
the shove is for value dude...

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.028% 33.74% 00.29% 117856188 1007454.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 65.972% 65.68% 00.29% 229438920 1007454.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.413% 36.21% 00.20% 126502032 693396.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 63.587% 63.39% 00.20% 221421192 693396.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.420% 23.05% 01.37% 113673216 6751686.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 75.580% 74.21% 01.37% 365966964 6751686.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.190% 35.98% 00.21% 125683776 731868.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 63.810% 63.60% 00.21% 222162504 731868.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.781% 30.59% 00.19% 71227420 453792.00 { 87s }
Hand 1: 69.219% 69.02% 00.19% 160738340 453792.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.153% 28.99% 01.16% 53611440 2149290.00 { A5s }
Hand 1: 69.847% 68.69% 01.16% 127018812 2149290.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

shove is for value? what the [censored]? who the [censored] calls with 99 here

the shove is not for value, we are shoving because our hand has decent equity vs his calling range but is obviously behind

edit: err if this is villian dependent nvm, i have no idea who this is

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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I'd fold > 4bet > shove > call, I only 4bet if villain is crazy out of line

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how does this order change if we're holding QQ

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i would push here all day vs cook, followed by call

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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so josh and i did some math on this and found out he has to fold roughly 59% for this to breakeven. i think thats lowe enough to the point where this is +ev.

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The thing that makes me skeptical about this is that if we shove, villain's range for calling is like QQ+, AK, sometimes AQ and JJ, so our hand is about the same as 22. Are you gonna shove any pair here?

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no because that wold mean im doing it with too high of a frequency, but in this spot this one time yes shoving 22-TT is the same thing.

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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so josh and i did some math on this and found out he has to fold roughly 59% for this to breakeven. i think thats lowe enough to the point where this is +ev.

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The thing that makes me skeptical about this is that if we shove, villain's range for calling is like QQ+, AK, sometimes AQ and JJ, so our hand is about the same as 22. Are you gonna shove any pair here?

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sure. not everytime obviously, but 22 and TT are basically interchangeable until you start developing some history and he starts calling with 99- and to a smaller extent AQ-

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

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so josh and i did some math on this and found out he has to fold roughly 59% for this to breakeven. i think thats lowe enough to the point where this is +ev.

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The thing that makes me skeptical about this is that if we shove, villain's range for calling is like QQ+, AK, sometimes AQ and JJ, so our hand is about the same as 22. Are you gonna shove any pair here?

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uh, often, yeah.

Re: TT v squeeze 100bb
 

4b>shove>call>fold