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thats what I did, but another player i respect questioned it. looks like the forum doesnt like it much either.

his flop play three handed is very very rarely a draw. I would say its likely top pair, except for the 9 pairing on the turn.

I think the only hand I would play like he did is a 9 or strong 2nd pair. tough hand though.

my odds to call down are not great considering i call a turn and river bet when behind.

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These are exactly my reasons for folding, I just said all of this against HiatusOver on AIM.

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his calling hands are fairly narrow, he is SB.

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his flop play three handed is very very rarely a draw.

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fair. and that means my read was way wrong.

Barron

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I feel this is a little set up for the draw move from K~. This is a flop that a BB can at times take a stab at with air or a GS, since the BB will feel the SB shouldn't have too much to do with the flop and will have position if SB calls fishing for overs, and naturally when SB bets this flop you're usually in a tough spot. Button's response is usually to raise or fold & so from SB's perspective you could just be protecting your overs.

To my mind this scenario is quite opportunistic for SB to play the draw aggro, since both other opponents could easily be very weak.

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thats what I did, but another player i respect questioned it. looks like the forum doesnt like it much either.

his flop play three handed is very very rarely a draw. I would say its likely top pair, except for the 9 pairing on the turn.

I think the only hand I would play like he did is a 9 or strong 2nd pair. tough hand though.

my odds to call down are not great considering i call a turn and river bet when behind.

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These are exactly my reasons for folding, I just said all of this against HiatusOver on AIM.

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76 or 87 = Stox winning = $$$$$$

My experiences with Kuta is he could hold either of those. He will not bet the river with 76. Therefore, it's ok IMO to call the turn and fold the river if he bets. He probably doesn't bet 87 either.

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folderson

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thats what I did, but another player i respect questioned it. looks like the forum doesnt like it much either.

his flop play three handed is very very rarely a draw. I would say its likely top pair, except for the 9 pairing on the turn.

I think the only hand I would play like he did is a 9 or strong 2nd pair. tough hand though.

my odds to call down are not great considering i call a turn and river bet when behind.

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These are exactly my reasons for folding, I just said all of this against HiatusOver on AIM.

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76 or 87 = Stox winning = $$$$$$

My experiences with Kuta is he could hold either of those. He will not bet the river with 76. Therefore, it's ok IMO to call the turn and fold the river if he bets. He probably doesn't bet 87 either.

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this guy really cant have JhTh?
i dont know how u can fold this when u get that turn card..
Q7 looks pretty good on that board, i would call it down unless something really nasty comes off... id probably fold the river if it was a T.

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i dont know how u can fold this when u get that turn card..Q7 looks pretty good on that board, i would call it down unless something really nasty comes off... id probably fold the river if it was a T.

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He's capable of putting a play on us here isn't he? If he puts us on AK, he's capable of 3betting that flop with a wider range than we are giving him credit for.

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i dont know how u can fold this when u get that turn card..Q7 looks pretty good on that board, i would call it down unless something really nasty comes off... id probably fold the river if it was a T.

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He's capable of putting a play on us here isn't he? If he puts us on AK, he's capable of 3betting that flop with a wider range than we are giving him credit for.

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He's not blasting away 3 bets into 2 players who have shown considerable aggression. He has a hand that can see a river.
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I don't think he would cold call from the small blind with 67s, so I don't really consider that part of his range.
I think that QhJh and JhTh are both possible, but overall I agree with Stox origional assessment that he has a real hand that he plans on showing down. A7 or A9 would not surprise me, nor would AA or KK.

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I know 3 handed is a little different than 6 handed, and the the other involved players are different, but here:

Seat 2: helstokjr ($11186 in chips)
Seat 3: KutaKinte ($6429 in chips)
Seat 4: d0000d ($18339 in chips)
KutaKinte: posts small blind $75
d0000d: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [8s Qs]
helstokjr: raises $300
KutaKinte: calls $225
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [8d 2h Td]
KutaKinte: checks
d0000d: bets $150
helstokjr: calls $150
KutaKinte: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [8d 2h Td][Ad]
KutaKinte: checks
d0000d: checks
helstokjr: checks
----- RIVER ----- [8d 2h Td Ad][4s]
KutaKinte: bets $300
d0000d: calls $300
helstokjr: folds
----- SHOW DOWN -----
KutaKinte: shows [6d 7d] (A Flush, Ace high)
d0000d: mucks hand [8s Qs]
KutaKinte collects $1947 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $1950 Main pot $1947 Rake $3
Board [8d 2h Td Ad 4s]
Seat 2: helstokjr (button) folded on the River
Seat 3: KutaKinte (small blind) showed [6d 7d] and won ($1947) with A Flush, Ace high
Seat 4: d0000d (big blind) mucked [8s Qs]
****HAND ENDS****



Or we go even further back, 3 handed dealt pot:

Game #689147964: Texas Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2005/07/20 - 05:03:31 (ET)
Table "Naos" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: Hibees70 sits out
Seat 3: KutaKinta ($3422.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Axl-Rose ($11450 in chips)
Seat 5: d0000d ($11841 in chips)
KutaKinta: posts small blind $50
Axl-Rose: posts big blind $100
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [Jh Ks]
d0000d: raises $200
KutaKinta: calls $150
Axl-Rose: raises $200
d0000d: calls $100
Hibees70 sits back
KutaKinta: calls $100
----- FLOP ----- [6d 9s 4d]
KutaKinta: checks
Axl-Rose: bets $100
d0000d: calls $100
Hibees70 leaves the table
KutaKinta: raises $200
Axl-Rose: raises $200
d0000d: folds
KutaKinta: raises $200
Axl-Rose: calls $100
----- TURN ----- [6d 9s 4d][Tc]
KutaKinta: bets $200
Axl-Rose: calls $200
----- RIVER ----- [6d 9s 4d Tc][3h]
KutaKinta: bets $200
Axl-Rose: calls $200
----- SHOW DOWN -----
KutaKinta: shows [6c 4c] (Two Pairs, Sixes and Fours, Ten high)
Axl-Rose: mucks hand
KutaKinta collected $2597 from Main pot



Or another one, 4 handed game:
Seat 2: d0000d ($19473 in chips)
Seat 3: Alusch ($3266 in chips)
Seat 5: Roymunson ($34149 in chips)
Seat 6: KutaKinte ($8226 in chips)
KutaKinte: posts small blind $75
d0000d: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [5d 7d]
Alusch: folds
Roymunson: raises $300
KutaKinte: calls $225
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [3h 8s Ah]
KutaKinte: checks
d0000d: checks
Roymunson: bets $150
KutaKinte: calls $150
d0000d: folds
----- TURN ----- [3h 8s Ah][2c]
KutaKinte: checks
Roymunson: checks
----- RIVER ----- [3h 8s Ah 2c][Ks]
KutaKinte: bets $300
Roymunson: calls $300
----- SHOW DOWN -----
KutaKinte: shows [5c 4c] (A Straight, Five high)
Roymunson: mucks hand [Jd Kh]
KutaKinte collects $1797 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $1800 Main pot $1797 Rake $3
Board [3h 8s Ah 2c Ks]
Seat 2: d0000d (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Alusch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Roymunson (button) mucked [Jd Kh]
Seat 6: KutaKinte (small blind) showed [5c 4c] and won ($1797) with A Straight, Five high
****HAND ENDS****


I've played close to 7000 hands with him. 76s and 87s are possible in this hand, I'm practically 100% sure of it. And if desired, I can search through my HHs vs him to find times he flops two pair and has it counterfeited on the turn.... And every single time, he will check the river.