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Jay Riall 08-05-2007 09:24 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
Teh Dan Bitel theorem = never fold anything vs TAGs?

thedustbustr 08-05-2007 09:25 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
ur probably right my winrate sucks

RainbowBright 08-05-2007 09:36 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
What makes you think that he's raising the flop with QQ or KK? I think he's more likely to call the flop.

RainbowBright 08-05-2007 09:40 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
I think he calls the flop with TT - KK. And I think he'd raise the flop with a flush draw and air. Therefore there's really no point in pushing the flop other than to charge him the times he's on a draw, but since he'll call with his made hands, I think pushing is -EV.

Nick Royale 08-05-2007 09:46 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
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after he raises, i would 3bet.

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and we have to 3b, because we need him to fold KK/QQ...we can't just "try to get to showdown"

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Seems unlikely he raises with KK/QQ, since with those hands he'll almost never get a better hand to fold or a worse to call. If he's bluffing it's probably with a PP lower than JJ or air.

Fonkey123 08-05-2007 09:48 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
Call and c/r most turns or fold. Usually fold though.

Unknown Soldier 08-05-2007 09:49 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
what would you do in this spot nick? (against a relative unknown reg) I'm always torn between c/c and b/f . I think i prefer b/f, im turning my hand into a bluff sort of, but c/c just allows us to get bluffed too often

Nick Royale 08-05-2007 09:51 PM

Re: Give me a plan
 
I don't get fancy here unless villain has a high raise c-bet-%. If he has I don't mind 3-betting here though, because he's probably not raising the flop AQ or worse (raising with AQ or worse is bad without any history). I would guess he'll call the flop with AK or better a lot too, because he's most likely way ahead and IP in a rr pot you might as well give opp some rope.

Nick Royale 08-05-2007 10:00 PM

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what would you do in this spot nick? (against a relative unknown reg) I'm always torn between c/c and b/f . I think i prefer b/f, im turning my hand into a bluff sort of, but c/c just allows us to get bluffed too often

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Yeah, I like leading the flop. How to handle a raise/call obv depends on villain's postflop tendencies. Against some players I 3-bet the flop, but given the info I have I can't tell if this is one of them and in that case I'm leaning towards folding the flop. Imo this is closer than most in this thread thinks.

If villain would like to steal the pot with air he'll do a better job repping a good hand by calling the flop and trying to take the pot on the turn. I personally try to prevent this play by check/raising the turn when I have a strong hand.

RainbowBright 08-05-2007 10:01 PM

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I don't get fancy here unless villain has a high raise c-bet-%. If he has I don't mind 3-betting here though, because he's probably not raising the flop AQ or worse (raising with AQ or worse is bad without any history). I would guess he'll call the flop with AK or better a lot too, because he's most likely way ahead and IP in a rr pot you might as well give opp some rope.

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I think you need to be raising the flop with a larger % of your made hands if you plan on raising the flop with air and draw.


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