Re: Beta \"Hellkat\" on party
 

Thought I had first wrapped up, but then this happened on the second last hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button (t6920)
Hero (t8010)
BB (t5070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button calls t300, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls [t4770] t300, Button calls t4770.

Flop: (t5520) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t5520) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t5520) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t5520

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qs Ac (one pair, twos).
Button has Qc 9s (one pair, twos).
Outcome: BB wins t5520. </font>

Re: Beta \"Hellkat\" on party
 

there was some good discussion on these in this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&amp;vc=1

Re: Beta \"Hellkat\" on party
 

i hated these when i played them, aren't they the ultimate donkaments?

Re: Beta \"Hellkat\" on party
 

Okay here's a very basic question:

Button: 9000
Hero: 7000
BB: 4000

Button stalls, making it the last hand.
Now if I fold I get 2nd place.
If I play the hand, there's no doubt the BB will go all in.
If I win, I get first.
If I lose, I get third.

So basically I would risk $10 (difference between 2nd and 3rd) to win $20 (difference between 1st and 2nd), which means I am getting 2 to 1.

According to Pokerstove, all hands except 42o and 32o are better than 33.3% to win in a showdown against a random hand.

So does that mean I can confidently push with hands like 53s and 72o in this spot?

Re: Beta \"Hellkat\" on party
 

FoldALot,
Well if he is good he should be calling ATC.
If you win at showdown.
You get 50% of the prize pool if you lose at showdown you get 20% of the prize pool.

So P(win).50 + P(lose).20 &gt; .30
At P(win) = 1/3rd it is neutral EV.
You should be shoving everything except 32o.
It gets trickier if he isn't calling with ATC.