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Jamougha 08-06-2007 05:29 AM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
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Firstly, I made no reference to how deep the players are, so I don't know why you are. I'm assuming both players have 10 billion bets each left.

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That assumption is not usually correct. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Because the stacks are limited small bets will suffice to get all in when the pot is large, relative to the stacks. In small pots it's necessary to make larger bets to achieve the same results.

Ribbo 08-06-2007 06:38 AM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
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Firstly, I made no reference to how deep the players are, so I don't know why you are. I'm assuming both players have 10 billion bets each left.

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That assumption is not usually correct. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Because the stacks are limited small bets will suffice to get all in when the pot is large, relative to the stacks. In small pots it's necessary to make larger bets to achieve the same results.

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That's not what you're trying to achieve though. What you're trying to achieve is that your opponent calls or raises your bet on every street rather than folds. It's about metagame decisions.
If you do something with your big hands DIFFERENT to that of when you're bluffing, opponents are able to pick up on this and make the correct play over time.
You do not have to bet small in big pots as your bet will fit in with that of a player who is bluffing.
A player who needs one more pot bet on the turn to get all in with the nuts, will make a half pot bet then a quarter pot bet on the river. Likewise a player bluffing will make a full pot bet.
Players who pick up on betting patterns such as this are more likely to call with medium strength hands when you bet big and fold when you bet smaller. It doesn't matter how you size your bets if your opponent folds.
Maximising your winnings does not mean always shoving every street.

Jamougha 08-06-2007 07:50 AM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
Ribbo,

Can't make any sense out of your post lol. nvm.

EWS87 08-06-2007 11:35 AM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
also agree kala is right and ribbo is wrong

half-potting the flop is pretty retarded...if u dont wanna bet the whole pot at least bet like $6

Ribbo 08-06-2007 01:06 PM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
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half-potting the flop is pretty retarded...if u dont wanna bet the whole pot at least bet like $6

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By pretty retarded you mean awesome. If someone else has 79 you will get raised by half potting. You can often end up all in against a set as well who thinks you are weak. If you bet the pot, often you will find yourself just getting called, as they will put you on a straight and not raise because they don't have a redraw.

alavet 08-06-2007 01:10 PM

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 
i like to bet half pot
its very powerfull
dont know what situation you are talking about but half pot really roxx


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