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mvdgaag 07-29-2007 08:44 PM

Re: general question
 
Too bad HSNL is a different game...

Havok 07-29-2007 09:05 PM

Re: general question
 
Wow!!! I'm still surprised Prodigy thinks pushing is best. I agree. Most players could be raising the flop with alot of other hands that might want to find out quick if they are beat or not. But, I think you have to take reads into the equation.
If you have a TA with a low aggression factor. I think you fold.
Against a loose aggressive I think you push.
Against an unknown I think you call and see what villian does on the turn if your in postition. If he keeps building a big pot you have to worry, and you should probably fold.

Last but not least. If villian is taking a line like this frequently. Make a note of it, and punish him the next time he does by pushing in similar situation. He can't always have a set.

Prodigy54321 07-29-2007 10:56 PM

Re: general question
 
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Wow!!! I'm still surprised Prodigy thinks pushing is best. I agree. Most players could be raising the flop with alot of other hands that might want to find out quick if they are beat or not. But, I think you have to take reads into the equation.
If you have a TA with a low aggression factor. I think you fold.
Against a loose aggressive I think you push.
Against an unknown I think you call and see what villian does on the turn if your in postition. If he keeps building a big pot you have to worry, and you should probably fold.

Last but not least. If villian is taking a line like this frequently. Make a note of it, and punish him the next time he does by pushing in similar situation. He can't always have a set.

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I don't think pushing is best..I just used pushing as an easy example...although I actually think pushing would be profitable...

probably a regular 3bet or a call/donk turn or c/r allin would be more profitable

wikemang 07-30-2007 12:42 AM

Re: general question
 
I like a call c/r turn, or maybe even a call, c/c turn/river. This type of hand is really read dependent though.

Xanta 07-30-2007 12:48 AM

Re: general question
 
I call, CRAI on a blank turn and expect to get looked up by KQ, KJ, whatever, way more than 55 or 22. You're all obviously unfamiliar with the Dan Bright theorem, that AK is the nuts, both pre and post flop.

XxGeneralxX 07-30-2007 01:20 AM

Re: general question
 
assuming its an unknown and the board is of a rainbow texture. I think pushing the flop is the worst play you can make. Your getting stacked against a set and getting ZERO value out of hands like KQ and KJ assuming your opponent is competent enough to fold TPGK in that situation.

XxGeneralxX 07-30-2007 01:24 AM

Re: general question
 
I think in the end this is just one of those marginal spots that come up while playing 100bb deep. If you want to make this decision WAY easier play 40bb deep. In that case this is an EASY push

Alexey 07-30-2007 01:46 AM

Re: general question
 
IMHO. call flop, and see if he gives up, if not - fold.
Raising is bad as it lets him to stack us with better hand, while allowing him to fold with worse.

blackice781 07-30-2007 03:47 AM

Re: general question
 
call, then check/call small-medium turn bets and reevaluate on river.

Asheh 07-30-2007 04:04 AM

Re: general question
 
Depends on Oponent, im willing to stack off with this vs loser opponent as they may hold weaker king. I call the flop, re-evaluate on the turn, depending on their stats and my reads i may bet or push turn.


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