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I have no issue with your argument John, as long as you are consistent. Regardless of the beauty in the world, to which I have no objection, there is, undeniably, an incredible amount of suffering in the world, far from most of it, due to human beings. If you see your God as he is ( "I am" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) an evil agent, responsible for his own design, we are pretty much in agreement!

I would never worship, or even side with, such an entity!

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I don't know if we do or not, but supposing we agree that my "I Am" equates to your, "It Is," I'm not quite sure where an "entity" pops up. Although I do understand where mainstream religions interject it (It).

I suppose what I'm trying to say: isn't there some form of holistic view in both interpretations? For example, if you describe all of nature, are you really apart or do you think of yourself part from the "all" of nature?

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John, whether holistic or not, if the outcome is negative, which to me suffering is, then there is no question about worship. It simply is not on! I'll deal with my life at a personal level to stand "against" anything that is purported to be the whole, or not. Sometimes the epiphenomena is more interesting, capable, and specially "moral", than the whole. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sometimes the epiphenomena is more interesting, capable, and specially "moral", than the whole. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sometimes? I wouldn’t want to live for a day if I was Omnipotent. But just because we're the antithesis to Omnipotence, doesn't make us evil, or our corollary so - it just makes us alive. And to me life is a gift, or as some would say a sacrificial gift.

I don't want to be God. But if I was God for a day - I'd allow people to live and not be a god. To me eternity is meaningless without terminality.

-John

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But just because we're the antithesis to Omnipotence, doesn't make us evil,

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Agreed entirely. It seems that you are not seeing my point: "Omnipotence (god concept), as I experience the world, is evil and therefore not worshipable, or not a credible (believable) concept".

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Hey, the Bible is more right then ever for these times. Where the rational thought is irrational an the irrational is rational.

It's scary to coal inside the chests of man these days and the brainwashed pride driven secular mentality.

It's pretty scary, but hey, the more the devil has an influence the more and more people will be easily dismissive of God, religion, etc

Just wow at the brainwashed mentalities.

And this will just to in one in, make a uturn and go out the same ear.

Thats what it has become, you fill yourselfs with nothing but about how irrational any belief is how God is a delusion and evil, etc well that is what you become.

Man, really no point of posting, u all find out in less then 80 years anyways..... Thank God we die and the ignorances cant go on forever.

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What he said x2.

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Hey, the Bible is more right then ever for these times. Where the rational thought is irrational an the irrational is rational.

It's scary to coal inside the chests of man these days and the brainwashed pride driven secular mentality.

It's pretty scary, but hey, the more the devil has an influence the more and more people will be easily dismissive of God, religion, etc

Just wow at the brainwashed mentalities.

And this will just to in one in, make a uturn and go out the same ear.

Thats what it has become, you fill yourselfs with nothing but about how irrational any belief is how God is a delusion and evil, etc well that is what you become.

Man, really no point of posting, u all find out in less then 80 years anyways..... Thank God we die and the ignorances cant go on forever.

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If one takes a step back and reads what you're saying--substituting Allah for God and Koran for Bible--you sound like a deranged Muslim suicide bomber.

I find it quite sad that many will read what you write and actually nod approvingly. When people like you talk, you hurt your irrational crusade more than help it.

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If one takes a step back and reads what you're saying--substituting Allah for God and Koran for Bible--you sound like a deranged Muslim suicide bomber.

I find it quite sad that many will read what you write and actually nod approvingly. When people like you talk, you hurt your irrational crusade more than help it.

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When is the last time that a Christian blew themselves up in a suicide bombing?