Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

theres so much to explain, but basically i doubt u have anywhere close to an optimal limp reriasing range and frequency. just raise every hand u wanna play or fold

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

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I appreciate not limping hands that arn't strong enough to raise with, but can you never feign weakness in 6 max with limping against highly agressive players?

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Limp-reraising isnt really trapping because your limp-rr range is so much smaller than your standard opening range. Consider three scenarios:

You raise with AA, laggy player calls with weaker hand and picks a pair or a draw on the flop and you win more monies.

You raise with AA, laggy player re-raises. You can 4-bet or slowplay if you have the position and win more monies.

You limp with AA, laggy player raises, you re-raise and he makes an easy fold.

I hope this made some sense and isnt complete bs.

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

only limp RR when you have AA and they have KK

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

i like to limp the button

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

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theres so much to explain, but basically i doubt u have anywhere close to an optimal limp reriasing range and frequency. just raise every hand u wanna play or fold

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you certainly COULD implement a strategy that involves limp rr'ing in SH games. however, as tufat suggested, there is much more to it than just limp rring AA and KK with some flim flam mixed in.

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

I seldom open limp but it happens from time to time, limp behind a limper or some limpers I do pretty often

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

If you ain't limping with AA you shouldn't be limping with 22, there's a thing called transparency.

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

GRUNCH

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Just wanted to get a majority consensus on limping UTG in 6max with small pairs (55-). I assume most would say you should never limp first in in 6max.

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Whilst i would almost always raise PPs from all positions, there are certainly some rare circumstances where open-limping with them might be acceptable.

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I am curious as to whether, when people are raising with these pairs UTG in 6max they are calling a pot size 3bet or instafolding everytime? Is it entirely/partially opponent specific for you?

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it's mostly dependent on stack sizes (5-10 rule) and partially dependent on villain.

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Would anyone consider 4betting?

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certainly, this is very opponent specific.

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If you are folding to the 3bet do you feel you lose value by not getting opportunity for a set? Is the best play an 80/20 raise/fold type scenario?

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1.no
2. lol no.

Please add in any other variables/ideas I may have missed. Cheers.

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

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Folded to you in MP with 22. CO and button are both 60/5's.

I limp here and you should too.

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Why? Even if I know they are both guaranteed to call, I still like raising to build the pot in case I hit. Obviously, it is much easier to stack people in a raised pot, and if I know they are going to call down with middle pair / TPNK, I get that much more value by inflating the pot PF. If I miss, I have no problem check/folding, knowing they are going to call c-bets. Is this wrong? Does limping really show greater EV than raising against this specific opponent type?

Re: No limping in 6 max?
 

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For me it depends on the table aggression. If there are 26/23 players left to act behind me, I'll sometimes (~25%)limp with 44 intending to call their raise. Also, the Ed Miller example of limping hands like J9s on the button against weak opponents in the blinds.

I think it also depends on table image and your ability to take control of the hand. I haven't limp re-raised in eons, but I can't say that it is always a bad play. Weak opponents only do this with two hands, if you can broaden your raise and you know that villain will not calla LRR lightly, then there is some merit in it.

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