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Jurollo 07-18-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
On the hand I think its a call too basically because br knows lil is going to 3bet light so he adjusts his 4-betting range accordingly, I like mikey's range for br. I can't see AQ having less then 30% equity here.

djk123 07-18-2007 10:13 PM

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On the hand I think its a call too basically because br knows lil is going to 3bet light so he adjusts his 4-betting range accordingly, I like mikey's range for br. I can't see AQ having less then 30% equity here.

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I don't understand why everyone think Lil is going to be 3 betting super light here. GB opened, not pushed, in the CO with 13 bbs with a well-known super aggressive player behind him with a ton of chips. Would Lil really expect GB to be opening light enough in this spot that he would 3 bet really light? I know hes super aggy, but he's also really good.

fluorescenthippo 07-18-2007 10:28 PM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
ugh you are so short and getting a little overlay. if lilholdem is 3betting at all light id call

2005 07-18-2007 10:32 PM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
Openshove? Given that we didn't open shove, we've gotten enough evidence that our hand is beat that we can lay down. Everyone is saying savage is pretty tight, that makes this a fold IMO.

8Adam8 07-18-2007 10:43 PM

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Openshove? Given that we didn't open shove, we've gotten enough evidence that our hand is beat that we can lay down. Everyone is saying savage is pretty tight, that makes this a fold IMO.

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I think raise/call > openshove with this dynamic.

Seems likely that people would 3bet or re-shove lighter than call a 13BB shove

2005 07-18-2007 10:58 PM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
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Openshove? Given that we didn't open shove, we've gotten enough evidence that our hand is beat that we can lay down. Everyone is saying savage is pretty tight, that makes this a fold IMO.

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I think raise/call > openshove with this dynamic.

Seems likely that people would 3bet or re-shove lighter than call a 13BB shove

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Yeah, but then we give ourselves a chance to fold AQ with 13BBs in our stack.

djk123 07-18-2007 11:04 PM

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Openshove? Given that we didn't open shove, we've gotten enough evidence that our hand is beat that we can lay down. Everyone is saying savage is pretty tight, that makes this a fold IMO.

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I think raise/call > openshove with this dynamic.

Seems likely that people would 3bet or re-shove lighter than call a 13BB shove

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Yeah, but then we give ourselves a chance to fold AQ with 13BBs in our stack.

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The like 5% of the time BR picks up a hand to shove, yea.

ASPoker8 07-18-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
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Openshove? Given that we didn't open shove, we've gotten enough evidence that our hand is beat that we can lay down. Everyone is saying savage is pretty tight, that makes this a fold IMO.

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I think raise/call > openshove with this dynamic.

Seems likely that people would 3bet or re-shove lighter than call a 13BB shove

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Yeah, but then we give ourselves a chance to fold AQ with 13BBs in our stack.

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but we only fold it in situations where we are almost certainly dominated, like we are never folding to a standard re-steal/re-shove

thus saving 10BBs that vanish when we shove

Tim0thee 07-19-2007 01:31 AM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
Hmm, I think it's a fold here, you still have over 10BBs despite the average stack.. you still have lots of spots to shove and pick up dead money..

ZJ123 07-19-2007 02:30 AM

Re: Marginal spot w AQ ITM $100r
 
lol such multi accounting adam. I really want to call here, but im pretty sure folding is correct, as theres no way brsavage is shoving AJs as some people said. I think his range is 99+ AQ+ i dont think we have enough equity to play considering Lilholdem coulddd be huge as well.


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