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Josh. 07-13-2007 01:51 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
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i'm guessing the 3.5 is his preflop reraise number..or is it his postflop agg number. i'll assume preflop reraise. if so, it is quite high. therefore:

4-town it preflop and fold to a shove. if he calls preflop, 2/3 pot and fold to a shove.

as played, raise flop to 250 and fold to a shove. if he flat calls flop, on blank turn, shove, if he shows AA or QQ, unlucky.

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3.5 = aggression factor

Nielsio 07-13-2007 01:52 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
wtf call

Josh. 07-13-2007 01:57 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
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wtf call

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telling me to call without giving me a turn plan isn't really helpful, no offense

TheJared 07-13-2007 02:02 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
I don't think there is going to be a profitable turn plan.
Would definitely 4-bet it pre.

HockeyChecker 07-13-2007 02:30 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
as played call flop, re-evaluate turn

dtan05 07-13-2007 02:56 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
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I don't think there is going to be a profitable turn plan.
Would definitely 4-bet it pre.

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as mentioned before, plans if he shoves? note 175ish bb stacks

ggbman 07-13-2007 04:11 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
I think calling a flop bet with the inentional of folding to a turn follow thru is best line, and then you will have to play poker on the river. I feel like even though he hasn't repopped in a long time, his range needs to be wider than QQ-AA, AK, because he could simply be getting impatient with colder cards and 3 bet a little looser, and he also could deem it profitable to isolate MP with a looser range since he's obviously pretty laggy. I would expect a lot of the time when he has QQ he would bet a little less on the flop (not amazing logic i know, but i think it's true enough that with one queen on board and the fact that he leads for the full pot, we can reduce the liklihood of QQ by a bit) The fact that you are this deep can actually play to your advantage a bit here since often he won't want to bet and call a shove with AA, so even when he does have that i feel as you PF/flop action looks scary enough that when he does have AA you will get to check behind the turn some of the time, and this should be factored in. Also by the time he does bet the turn, i think you then have enough info to make folding better than calling or shoving. If he checks the turn and you check behind, i would feel ok calling a PSB on the river dud. If he checks the river too, i generally bet 3/4 of the pot and fold to a c/r.

Josh. 07-13-2007 04:16 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
whoa gabe sighting

ggbman 07-13-2007 04:32 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
Yah i am considering hibernating less.... so what do you think, i still got it?

Josh. 07-13-2007 04:34 PM

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 
you have a good point that even if he won't 3-bet JJ or AQ, he could still have 97o or 33


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