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i was thinking it over again & thought maybe he bluffed me?

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If you're gonna fold here, though, just make sure you don't tank. Do it quick.

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Explain please. Are we concerned about second guessing ourselves? Is this some sort of image play?

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I think he means that if you tank, it's pretty obvious your making a big laydown of an overpair. Hence, villain will try to push you around more in the future and hence he could become more difficult to play against.

I don't necessarily agree, but I do think you need to be aware of timing tells as party of your image, and make adaptations.

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I think he means that if you tank, it's pretty obvious your making a big laydown of an overpair. Hence, villain will try to push you around more in the future and hence he could become more difficult to play against.

I don't necessarily agree, but I do think you need to be aware of timing tells as party of your image, and make adaptations.

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I'm always worried that when I fold real fast, I send the message: "Hey you guys, I'm a donkey that bets with all kinds of crap, just raise me once, and I'll be happy to toss it."

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i never fold here. is that bad?

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I took out half of his AA and KK combo's, assuming he'll 4-bet with them 50% of the time. I left in 1/3 of his 88/99 combo's and one combo of JT, 89 and 76. Two combo's of ATs.

Don't know if that's accurate, but I think it's very well possible.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

34,650 games 0.005 secs 6,930,000 games/sec

Board: Th 7h 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.792% 39.92% 01.87% 13834 647.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 58.208% 56.34% 01.87% 19522 647.00 { AcAd, AdAh, AhAs, KcKd, KdKh, KhKs, QQ-TT, 9d9h, 9h9s, 8d8h, 8h8s, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AcTc, AsTs, KhQh, JsTs, 9h8h, 7s6s }


Our EV would depend on how many (if any) of these hands he'd fold if we push. Also, if he ever does this as a total bluff, our fold equity will increase a bit, and this will of course boost our EV.


Edit: let's assume that if we push, he folds a few of his JT, AT, 88 and 99 hands and calls with anything else. This gives us 8% fold equity (and I find it hard to believe it's this low) and leaves us 37.5% pot equity vs his range.

Our EV is then:

0.08*378 + 0.92*0.37*557 - 0.92*0.63*339
= +$23

Re: good fold? bad fold?
 

I think the problem with your calculation is that you first assume he calls with this range:
AcAd, AdAh, AhAs, KcKd, KdKh, KhKs, QQ-TT, 9d9h, 9h9s, 8d8h, 8h8s, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AcTc, AsTs, KhQh, JsTs, 9h8h, 7s6s
and then say he folds those hands we beat.

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this reminds me of the hand where Dean folded KK on a similar board to cole and cole had KQo lol

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Wuleq isn't very LAGy IMO, and you are in bad shape here the majority of the time. If you have the best hand here he has a lot of outs. Also, Bet the flop bigger if you are planning on folding to a raise.

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I think the problem with your calculation is that you first assume he calls with this range:
AcAd, AdAh, AhAs, KcKd, KdKh, KhKs, QQ-TT, 9d9h, 9h9s, 8d8h, 8h8s, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AcTc, AsTs, KhQh, JsTs, 9h8h, 7s6s
and then say he folds those hands we beat.

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I don't think so. Why would that be a problem?

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If called we don`t win that the same percentage as vs his range. I can`t see him calling with worse hand then crazy AT and perhaps JJ. So you have first to make the range with which he`s raising and then with which he`s calling.
2nd i doubt he raises TP or JJ on this board in a 3bet pot if he`s not stupid. If he is than poosh.