Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

Need more info on the villain. What do you think of leading out on the flop to see where you are? If you get raised, call the flop and either check call or check raise the turn, if the villain just calls the bet on the flop you would just lead out again.

After the 3 bet on the turn, I think you check raise on the river, because the villain is showing strength and likelihood to bet again on the river.

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

check/raise is so aggressive and daring, but I dont know if its the right move here because theres a lot of hands you will be forced to pay off when he 3-bets you.. Is he really betting a weaker hand than a weak two pair more often on the river than one pair on this board?

Btw, flop looks good (flop check/raise is liable to get you in a lot of trouble against many different draws). Turn is good assuming he 2nd barrels draws more often than not. If he likes free-card plays with his draws and weak made hands, I like a turn lead better.

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

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I had been playing for an hour or so 3 handed with this awful guy and then a guy that sounded like he might not be retarded (I was wrong) when a few other people wandered in and out. In this case the extra player is Hung La who I have never played with but he came over from some mixed game that broke and he had the look on his face of someone who has been curbstomped by thousands of bad beats so I was giving him credit for probably being good.

So fish folds, villain raises button, other guy folds, I call in bb with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check/call

Turn:5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I c/r with the plan of checking the river if he calls, probably folding. He apparently doesn't like my plan at all and 3bets, I call.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
What now?

Thoughts on flop/turn play and turn plan too.

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the flop is fine. check/raising is fine too.

the turn is just dumb. worse hands fold and better hands either 3bet or call.

as played, the river is a check/raise/fold.

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

i definitely check raise the river

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

As you played it, checkraise the river. Call a 3 bet if it comes.

For the rest of the hand, it really doesn't matter much what you do. These are good spots to mix up your play and you did. C/Ring on the flop is the standard line, but you can also bet it out and 3 bet if he raises, bet it out and call, or just check and call. The turn checkraise is fine, but you could just as well bet it out and see what happens. Who cares?

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

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Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

I'm assuming stox button steal range.

Flop: Range calculator tells me that villain holds a 1-overcard draw 37% of the time. As such, you should probably be check-raising this board with the hands you decide to play, as you have a decent amount of fold equity. If you check-raise bottom pair, it's going to be hard for him to call you with K9, A5, etc when you are actually on a straight or flush draw.

Note that pokerstove backs this up: we have 56% equity vs his range.

Having just called, I think your turn check-raise is fine. It depends of course on what range of hands you think opponent is betting on the turn, but if you think he's betting most of his range, then check-raise is the only play. We're 2:1 favorites against his range (pokerstove) and are happy to elliminate the 35% of his range that may fold (AK=3.3%, AJ,AT,KJ,KT type hands=16%, overcard-gutshot A9, A4, K9 etc=16%).

There may some concern about splitting his range with this raise, but if villain really does split his range around bottom pair, then we can exploit him by check-raising all hands on the turn, as "hands we beat" constitute a big % of his range, and that's ignoring flush (7.6%) and straight draws (6.4%).

You check-raise this turn with strong hands, so balancing your range with a hand like this with such high equity seems like a no-brainer from a game theory perspective.

On the river, I think you should check-raise. I'm assuming that your opponent is good enough to be 3-betting top pair hands on the turn. Both your turn check-raise and his turn 3-bet ranges should have a large number of 1-pair hands on this board (on the turn, he holds 2-pair-or-better only 5% of the time). Folding to a 3-bet is probably reasonable as T7s is one of the worst hands you'll hold after this action (call QTo, T8o) and of course it takes huge courage to try to exploit a player who is folding to a river 3-bet a bit more than game theory might suggest.


good luck.
Eric

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

i agree to CR that TURN and IF u do that u MUST lead that RIVER and call a raise....he could be 1)overplaying his overpair on the RIVER or 2) may have raise TURN for a free SD...i realize that this is NOT online, because online this is an easy lead on the RIVER because every TOM, DICK, and MARY 3 town that draw happy board on TURN for a free SD with a solid ACE and thus when ur perceived draw misses and u lead 95% of the online free world will pay u off.....

Re: I was told I played it really well 1/2 commerce 4 handed
 

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As you played it, checkraise the river. Call a 3 bet if it comes.



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Putting in 3 bets on this river after the turn action is absurd.

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As you played it, checkraise the river. Call a 3 bet if it comes.



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Putting in 3 bets on this river after the turn action is absurd.

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I think c/r river fold to 3 bet rules because you can then be like "haha i suck i had missed clubs" and fold it.

James