Re: The Way it Really Is
 

I think the important thing is we get our money in with the best of it.

Re: The Way it Really Is
 

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Do you enjoy it when you cop a terrible beat? Or an extreme series of them?

Winning money and copping terrible beats are related. But beats feel terrible when they happen. That's what I think.

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Nobody enjoys taking bad beats. But I think many of us want to own both sides of the coin. How often do we say "I didn't deserve such a big pot. Two people called bets on the turn and river and neither had odds to call past the flop."? We think we're somehow 'owed' the extra bets that poor players routinely put into the pot and then we get upset when those players get lucky and borrow some of those bets back.

Watch the TV pros. They take horrible beats all the time and generally just shrug their shoulders and wait for the next hand. Sometimes they don't even shrug their shoulders. I'm sure it hurts inside, but they recognize the beats as part of the game.

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Watching High Stakes Poker, I saw an amazing reaction to a really horrible beat. Ted Forrest reached into his pocket and dropped two $25K chips on the table and sat back down. He had absolutely no look on his face whatsoever.

That is a true professional poker player.

OP, while Theory of Poker is the source, SSHE is the Bible. Go and read, with all haste, and read it many times.

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

I really pissed a guy off the other day when I called his PF raise in the BB holding 64s. I flopped a straight, he flopped a set of fives. I check raised him on the turn and the river. All I could tell him was that he hadn't been at the table when I got rivered seven times in the previous 90 minutes with backdoor flushes, inside straight draws, etc. Did I feel guilty raking in the pot? Hell no...

I won't chase an inside straight draw or a BDF draw, but I must admit that I've never met a flush draw I didn't like. Give me Axs or Kxs and I'll see a flop with it every time.

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I won't chase an inside straight draw

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Shouldn't you if you have the odds? I find at my loose passive 2/4 B&M table that more often than not I have the implied odds to see the turn chasing a gutshot, and sometimes even the river.

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

Sure, if the pot's big enough.. and there's not two of a suit on the board.

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

lol count

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

Bad thinking on my part Babar? I respect your thinking, so if it's funny for a bad reason do tell....

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

sorry. i just don't see why two of a suit on board would affect our gutshot draw if we have odds...in o8, yes, maybe, but not in holdem really...people don't always have the flushdraw. getting 10:1 or better on a gutshot with two suited on board, and folding, is gonna be -EV in the long run.

Re: Is chasing higher ranked hands ever justified?
 

No need to be sorry. I haven't done the math on it, so I'm not saying your wrong, but in my seat of the pants view I don't like chasing a four-outer when someone else is (or may be) chasing a nine-outer at the same time. (If I have, say, bottom pair w/ a gutshot draw of course I'm probably staying) But then I confess to being generally risk-averse... except of course for my penchant for playing Kxs (and sometimes even Qxs if I can limp) from any position =]