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Why seperate the parties for this question?

I gotta go with Hillary....she said in her book that she had no idea about Bill's womanizing. Assuming she is not lying....she must be the dumbest woman on Earth.

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Hillary is not lying, she's just factually challenged.

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Re: Of all the Republican Candidates, who is the stupidest?
 

Mitt Romney is more intelligent then anybody on these boards, thats for sure.... Hardvard Law and Bach Grad, created an investment that now holds $40billion in assets from scratch. Has held many public offices, etc.....

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Mirr Romney is the epitome of Blue Suade Shoes.

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This isn't about crime in the moral sense, it's about "crime" *as definied by a self-styled ruling class*. In other words, "do what we say or we're going to beat you up."

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Have you ever seen chimpanzees coexist? If you do something that others don't like, you really do get beat up. I'm glad that we at least form some system, so I can at least know the rules before I break them. Reason capacity FTW.

All social animals find ways to coexist. I agree that we humans can probably do it fine (perhaps better) with less laws. We can trust that order, as we perceive it, would take care of itself (perhaps even better) privately. But IMO, the difference between "privatized authority" and "public authority" is really more semantical than you represent. Even in the absence of laws, people would still need to coexist. It seems to me that social norms would develop that discouraged bad behavior, and acted as an authoritarian influence.

We really aren't "free" to do whatever we want as soon as what we want conflicts strongly enough with what someone else wants. We just aren't. If I want to smoke weed in my backyard and my neighbor doesn't want me to, then something has to give.

I really feel like it isn't "authority" you have a problem with, as much as it is just the state's monopoly of it. Like anything, I think you have to keep human nature in mind when you make these arguments, and you can't really assume things would be utopian in the absence of a state. I think some sort of authority is necessary for society; so as long as we're playing this democracy game, I'd expect my leaders to encourage it to some extent, and this quote of Rudy doesn't really strike me as a big deal.

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Mitt Romney is more intelligent then anybody on these boards, thats for sure....

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Uhm... no.

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Hardvard Law and Bach Grad, created an investment that now holds $40billion in assets from scratch. Has held many public offices, etc.....

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The college stuff has nothing to do with intelligence (except to say he's not really dumb), although the $40 billion is a good sign. He might well be top 1%. I still bet there are people on these boards who are smarter though.

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We really aren't "free" to do whatever we want as soon as what we want conflicts strongly enough with what someone else wants. We just aren't.

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This canard is so tired.

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McCain might definitely be the dumbest. He graduated 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy.

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Even if Annapolis graduates are above average, it takes a special kind of rock to finish in the bottom 1%.

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That'll work, whats the qoute with him saying that?


Edit: Don't qoute me the out of context speech from the forum on crime in which Giuliani said people don't have the right to be criminals, and it has been misinterpreted to mean people don't have the right to be what they want to be.

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We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

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You have free speech so I can be heard.

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Not having a right to be a criminal does not require ceding anything to Rudy. Don't try to dodge this with "out of context" shenanigans. The whole context is there, linked to from the OP. This isn't about crime in the moral sense, it's about "crime" *as definied by a self-styled ruling class*. In other words, "do what we say or we're going to beat you up."

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I find it amazing that you only manage to give the one qoute I already said is just ridiculous. You got any others? Or is that it right there?

If that's it, you're RIGHT. OMG, it is so scary, Giuliani telling people they don't have the right to be criminals, in a speech made over 10 years ago, probably relating to NYC's crime problem - he must be EVILLLLLLL!!111!!!11111111111.

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Again, you don't have to "cede to lawful authority" in order to not be a criminal. This is just like the "what do you have to hide?" type questions - authoritarian demands that attempt to stigmatize personal autonomy as somehow anti-social.

Yes, it IS evil.

And your attempts to pre-emptively smear this as "ridiculous" or "out of context" are transparent.

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Uhhh, so I take it this is the only qoute you have then? The 10 year old speech saying that people aren't free to be criminals?

K, good deal.

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McCain might definitely be the dumbest. He graduated 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy.

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Even if Annapolis graduates are above average, it takes a special kind of rock to finish in the bottom 1%.

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Keep in mind that I'm sure there are quite a few "legacy" people who get there. You know the only way he got there was because of his Admiral Pappy. This doesn't even get into how he was stupid enough to crash his plane in Vietnam.

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Uhhh, so I take it this is the only qoute you have then? The 10 year old speech saying that people aren't free to be criminals?

K, good deal.

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Google "Giuliani authoritarian". It's not like I'm the only one who's ever noticed. He's probably bigger on executive privlege than Bush.