Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

bravos, awesome and useful post

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

BB could have any ten here since he didn't have to make any VPIP contribution. He could have a smaller pocket pair, a piece of the flop less than a ten or maybe he fancies trying to steal the pot on a relatively unco-ordinated board. He could even be betting a straight draw. I would have thought that a raise was for value here. If the SB folds, that is an added bonus.

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

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BB inherits virtually all of the equity of him folding

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Not sure I understand. Please explain this...

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If the folding player's hand has 18% equity, when we cause him to fold like .5% of that equity goes to the donator with nothing, another 1% goes to Hero, and the remaining 16.5% goes to BB who has Hero dominated JTo vs. T9s.

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

but how do we determine this bro? In other words, How did you achieve this observation? Reads, experience or a stove exercise?

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

Look at my stove calcs.

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Ok, I see what you did. Thanks guys.

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

As a an aside, I like my made up word "pre-buttal," and I think I'll incorporate it into my vocabulary.

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As a an aside, I like my made up word "pre-buttal," and I think I'll incorporate it into my vocabulary.

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I liked that as well. Good conversational metagame, too, as it will make your listener stop and wonder for a sec.

Re: ... and here comes the next... (Playalong)
 

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Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero ???

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any option is good ...

I tend to raise T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] more than [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ... hearts just seem so wimpy (the spade or the club ... that's the way to go!)

reason to raise ...
against this guy T9s probably has equity (and probably has marginal equity against some of the crap SB and BB will call with in their positions) ...
also, raising now will most likely get us a free card onthe flop if we want it (and same if we bet the flop) ...
of course will have to be cautiously on the flop, depending

reasons not to raise ...
we mostly likely don't ISO UTG and have to play just short of a mw pot

reasons to just call ...
BTN is not likely to come along anyways ... and even if he does (he's not raising), and SB and BB are likely to come too so we have a chance to potentially play a bigger pot post flop with all these calls stations

reasons to fold
to not get into trouble ... but how much fun is that [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Flop: 3d, 4h, Tc
 

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Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero ???

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I'm probably raising this is the game ... especially with UTG who is calling with pretty much anything

I imagine BB has a Ten here and we are about 50/50 against the range of Tens ... I would feel a lot better about raising if this guy knew what a 'steal flop' is - or if he would be betting pocket pairs too