Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

please shoot me a pm if they ever get a 5-10 game running regularly

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

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Rio was NL2/5 as the smallest for a while and it had some nice games. Then they started doing NL1/2 and suddenly the ONLY people ever playing NL2/5 were the locals--every visit to Rio I'd look at the NL2/5 table and recognize like 8 of the 9 players there (if they even had 2/5 going). But there'd be 5 tables of NL1/2 going. Same happened at Mirage...used to be NL2/5 was the bottom of their NL and the games were great, then they added 1/2 and the fish are far less common in 2/5. Rio, at least, had a change of heart and stopped offering 1/2; they're back to 2/5 as the smallest NL game and the games are better.

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A couple days late on this reply but I just saw your post. I used to play the 2/5 NL game at Mirage back when it was a 100-300 buy in range. The railbirds couldn't wait to get into this game, then it got raised to 500 and I was absolutely loving it. I kept track of my results from here and was a consistant winner for close to a year of regular play here. Then they introduced 1/2 and I could rarely even get a 2/5 game here during the week anymore and maybe 1 table on the weekends. I haven't played here since because of this [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] They killed all the action of the 2/5's just by giving into the 1/2 crowd, when the buy in was essentially the same 100-200 vs 100-300 (early stages of 2/5).

As for the Rio, I remember when they added 1/2 and it did the same exact thing to their 2/5's. Anyways, having only the 2/5 and 4/8 games now keeps the fish at these 2 games, but I haven't really cared for this room since it opened. Something about the vibe there just doesn't seem right or comfortable to me.

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

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They killed all the action of the 2/5's just by giving into the 1/2 crowd, when the buy in was essentially the same 100-200 vs 100-300 (early stages of 2/5).

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Well, first of it it's repetitive to say but it's not the casinos job to keep the money growing on trees for the sharks. Maybe you tacitly accept this but loaded language like giving in to a crowd implies that you think the casino has robbed you here.

Secondly, blinds determine the stakes more than buy-in, although fish may not know that. So players could be rational to stay out of a 100-min $2-5 game but play a 100-min $1-2 game.

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please shoot me a pm if they ever get a 5-10 game running regularly

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I would like to see a $5-10 NL game w. $500 min, no cap happen but I doubt that will happen, I know this summer there was one with a $300 min and uncapped but the couple times I played it, it was a terrible rockfest and I moved over to a 75% 2-5 game for more action

I will PM if I see any bigger games going

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

Trip Reprot:
Saturday 3/3
4 tables of $2-5 NL
2 tables of $1-2 NL

Still 6 tables of NL but 1 more moved from 2/5 to 1/2 compared to last Saturday, it will be interesting to see how this trend goes as more and more find out about the 1-2 NL HE game

Also as far as a 5-10 NL HE game, I dont think it will ever happen, there is really no reason to spread it, when it ran this last summer the same 9-10 guys showed up to play against each other and figured out their win rates would be better in the 2-5 games. I guess I will watch and see if lists go and look at names on it but the 2-5 game moving from 100-300 to 200-500 buyin has made that game juicier so I am not sure if a 5-10 would go. If a couple diamond players poped up on the list I am sure I would make my way over

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

Also I am not sure how I forgot to mention this, you can now straddle and chop as of Friday

Some rules I dont know if they have been changed that I need to look into are:
1. Banning of iPods (or any other MP3 player)
2. Not being allowed to turn cards face up even when heads up and other person all in
3. Will they start to drop $1 in NL games for BBJ

If any Harrah's St Louis regulars know the rules there please answer this as we are getting all of the same rules that you have and it would be interesting to know

I think cell phones will remain to also be banned while sitting at the table but can still stand behind your chair with it

Also I believe you can come into the room and sit at any empty table while you are waiting for a seat (or so a dealer told us) although I never saw anyone do that which could be due to lack of communication. I would rather sit in the smoke free room then stand along the outside with all of the smokers. Right along with this is that you can rail games while waiting for a seat which could be good for scouting tables but I am pretty sure I could get annoyed if a lot of people start railing games while waiting for tables.

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

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Some rules I dont know if they have been changed that I need to look into are:
1. Banning of iPods (or any other MP3 player)
2. Not being allowed to turn cards face up even when heads up and other person all in
3. Will they start to drop $1 in NL games for BBJ

If any Harrah's St Louis regulars know the rules there please answer this as we are getting all of the same rules that you have and it would be interesting to know

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I'm a St. Louis regular.

1)You're allowed to have it with you, but I'm pretty sure it can't be on during a hand. Stupid to allow these. It slows down the game.

2)I sometimes turn face cards up when heads-up in ring games. It's allowed for ring play. In tournamnet play they warn you not to and if you do it repeatedly, they will call the floor. They don't like to resort to declaring your hand dead, but if you really pushed it they might.

3) I've heard rumors of starting up the BBJ some time this spring for $1/$2. I hope they don't. It's bad enough being forced to buy a "lottery ticket" in $3/$6 play when many hands see the showdown. Buying the same-priced lottery ticket in $1/$2 when people bet to protect hands makes a BBJ drop from a $1/$2 table -EV (as opposed to neutral). ON the flip side, if you're a $3/$6 player, you have to like the extra padding of your jackpot by people less likely to win it. I personally HATE the idea of BBJ in $1/$2.

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

Thank you for the reply.

I totally agree with you on iPods (or any MP3 player) slowing it down too much (beyond the other things slowing it down)

That is good news about the hands being turned up - That has been a major pet peeve of mine and took me a month to break myself of the habit after moving to KC so I guess I can now go back to it, I was always good enough to keep a very firm grip on my cards when I did do it so none of the dealers had a chance to get them away from me when they had this crappy rule. I will be sure to ask the floor mgrs next weekend before trying it out though.

Interesting news of the BBJ, I typically only play 2-5 NL so I wouldnt mind as much if it came to the 1-2 NL here although I would prefer it didnt for those times I am in that game when waiting for a bigger game. Plus if it gets into the 1-2 NL games, it just makes it one step easier to introduce in the 2-5 NL games

Supposedly they also just ordered new cards for the entire poker room and will now be using the same quality cards as they were using in STL - the last weekend our decks were pretty crappy and we were getting setups with horribly bent cards

Harrah's rooms typically have crappy cards company wide so I will be interested to see what these "new" cards are like, maybe go from very crappy to kind of crappy

Also the 5-10 NL game in STL, is that $500 min/no max? Also if you know how many tables of it have been running on Friday or Saturday nights would be interesting to me. I am guessing it is only one table though and I would be at a disadvantage due to the $500 rule and needing to stock up some chips. Could try to bring some blacks from KC but that seems kinda shady.

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

Please let them spread some sort of Omaha eventually at the KC Harrah's.... PLEASE. Although if I get the job I'm interviewing for at the Harrah's in Las Vegas I won't have to worry about it.

Also, very glad to hear they are allowing a stradle now. It probably has to do with increasing the buy in on the 2/5 game. (No one wants to sit with $100 or $200 and see it straddled and popped to $50 every hand ya know?)

I don't see the 1/2 games hurting the 2/5 action that much. The Fri/Sat night donators that the game really runs on are probably like "wtf $1 chips?"

Re: Kansas City: Lowest NL is 2-5, casino adding 1-2, what happens?
 

The poker room mgr from Harrah's St Louis is making these changes and changing the buyin and limits along with adding straddle and chop were his idea which is good as he is bringing the two room to one common set of rules

I agree with the omaha statement. I would like to see a split NLHE/PLO just to start but I am not sure if it would happen. I guess all you can do is ask for them to start a list for it, the next time I am in there early on a Friday or Saturday I will talk to the floor about it. I just think that mix has the best chance at getting going.

I was spoiled prior to a year ago being in Iowa where all of the bigger games included at least one form of omaha if not two. I didnt realize how rare this was and I actually never played higher NL in Iowa as it was all PL HO or HOE games along with limit HOE games.

A lot of the dealers have been saying "wtf $1 chips?" after dealing with a big mix of red and white at the $1/2 tables