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mosdef 02-09-2007 04:05 PM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
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Electoral reform is a real tough one because the representatives that got elected under the current system are biased towards maintaining the current system.

tehox 02-09-2007 04:20 PM

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It was military technology. The Chi-Coms were unable to keep their satellites in orbit. Clinton signed waivers to allow top secret technology to be shared with the Chi-Coms.
http://money.cnn.com/1998/05/20/companies/intv_loral/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...keystories.htm
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14497

Loral Exceeded their authority and sold additional secrets to the Chi-Coms. Clinton gave them a slap on the wrist (a fine) rather then putting these scumbags in jail for treason.
"In 2002, Loral Space reached a settlement with the State Department over charges of passing advanced military technology to the Chinese Army. Loral agreed to pay $20 million in fines, but did not admit nor deny wrongdoing.

In 2003, Loral declared bankruptcy. The aerospace giant that sold for $72 a share in 1996 watched as its shares tumbled to less than 20 cents a share.

Yet, despite hard times for its investors, Loral's CEO Bernard Schwartz has managed to cough up over $4 million in political donations for the Democrats and non-profit 527 organizations opposed to President Bush."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/150106.shtml

This stinks of a Clinton coverup.

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No Clinton did not sign waivers to give China top secret technology.

He signed waivers, just as George HW Bush had done, to allow US companies to use Chinese missles to launch satellites into orbit.

Loral did break the law afterwards (but again they did not "sell secret technology", some of their engineers wrote a report to help with the missle launches that included classifed material), which Clinton or noone in the US government knew about at the time. If you think Clinton covered that up fine, but there is no hard evidence for it.

Poofler 02-09-2007 04:20 PM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
True, but like others have said, Clinton avoided the tough battles quite a lot in favor political feasibility. Does this issue breakdown by party lines? Presumably because Repubs generally raise more I thought?

critikal 02-10-2007 07:18 AM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
Rwanda

ShakeZula06 02-10-2007 07:24 AM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
He was a jackbooted thug









Oh come on, one of us had to do it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Jamougha 02-10-2007 10:56 AM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
That he couldn't get a third term.

AJW 02-10-2007 11:47 AM

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3. Failure to pass health care reform


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Clinton made some mistakes, bringing his own people in from out side to formulate policy alienated some democrats.
Trying to form a broad consensus when it was clear elements of his own party would not compromise.
Taking too long to bring a bill before congress allowing his opponents to mount a media campaign and influence public opinion.
Trying to build a coalition with the Republics when Newt Gingrich was threatening people’s careers within the Republican Party if they compromised.
but overall given the hostility from the medical industry and the neo conservatives who where coming to power within the Republican party I don’t think any kind of meaning full reform could have been passed by anyone.

Felix_Nietzsche 02-10-2007 01:34 PM

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Loral did break the law afterwards (but again they did not "sell secret technology", some of their engineers wrote a report to help with the missle launches that included classifed material),

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So giving "classified material" is just the equilvalent of a parking ticket. The news stories I heard said that before Loral Space, the Chi-Coms kept losing satellites because they couldn't keep them in orbit. After their dealings with Loral Space, the Chinese had the technology to keep their satellites in orbit. Sounds like the bought classified technology to me...

Copernicus 02-10-2007 02:28 PM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
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I like the question. I'll start it off. Here are some Clinton policies I didn't like:

1. Welfare reform
2. Not very strong on the environment
3. Failure to pass health care reform
4. Looking for the low hanging political fruit instead of tackling tough issues

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Health care reform WAS passed and then repealed because the bundle of tests/tax penalties designed to expand coverage simply didnt work. Tax Reform Act of 1986, Section 89 of the IRC.

jesusarenque 02-10-2007 02:52 PM

Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton
 
Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 is one of the worst pieces of legislation of all time. [censored] Bill Clinton.


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