Re: the limp reraise
 

KK against 3 random hands is indeed 58 vs. 14 vs. 14 vs. 14, but it is a little misleading since there's a big difference between a 40% loose guy and a 100% loose one

Re: the limp reraise
 

KK against 3 ranges of the top 35% of hands retains 54% equity while only contributing 25% of the money.

AKo only has 34%. KK rulez.

Re: the limp reraise
 

I guess I can see it from the math perspective. I keep coming back to what the other poster said:

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Will the extra SBs you get from a few mediocre hands preflop make up for the times you pay off a bad hand that got lucky?

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I just know every single time I pull something like this, a hand that I might have had a chance to force out earlier by raising hangs around to suck out.

Re: the limp reraise
 

You will lose pots more often when more people come along. But you will win more money in the long run because the pots you do win will be bigger.

(Assuming that we don't get a family limp)

Re: the limp reraise
 

Limp reraising is Bush league.

Re: the limp reraise
 

What are you putting the SB on when he check three bets the whole field after you limp re raised. He's saying he can beat AA when he does that, or, that he has a huge draw.

When he leads the turn, and three bets the turn, he has a set every time here.

I was going to say you should fold to the three bet, but then again, I didn't count the pot down, so you might be getting like 19-1, so you can call and try to spike a K and win 2 BB on the riv.

If you aren't getting 19-1 to call teh three bet, fold the turn.

I'd just call down from the turn lead, this guy is a 22/6, not a 35/22/4

Re: the limp reraise
 

Three reasons I limp reraise w/ KK UTG:

a) A maniac behind me just lost a huge pot.
b) My last 2-3 showdowns were with premium cards and my raises are now overly respected.
c) Both kings are black.

Re: the limp reraise
 

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c) Both kings are black.

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Re: the limp reraise
 

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I thought the preflop equity diminished pretty much in a 4-6 way pot because it's very easy to put in a lot of bets when you're behind, especially OOP.

[/ QUOTE ] VS. 3 random hands your equity is roughly 58%. You're putting in 1/4th the pot in order to win 58% of the time

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58%-25% = 33% to your benefit. 33% x 4 bets = 1.33 bets. Therefore you make 1.33 bets for every bet you place.

If you have a family pot, you have only 42% equity but your only putting in 17% so you have only a 25% benefit. But that's 25% of 6 bets which is 1.5 bets so you make 1.5 bets for every bet you place.

Does that make sense? Is that the right way to calculate it?

NOTES:
42% Equity was based on 5 opponents who play 20, 25, 30, 40, and 45% of their hands.

I changed the 40% player to 55% and KK equity dropped about .5%. Then I changed 45% player to 60% and KK equity dropped another .5% to 40.8%. Not much different.

Then I changed the two loosest players to 25% players making the five opponents 20, 25, 25, 25, and 30%. KK equity was back to 42%. It doesn't seem to change much.

I tried making the tighest players even tighter. I used 15%, 20, 25, 25 and 30. KK Equity was still over 41%. Again, it didn't change much.

Re: the limp reraise
 

Raise the river girly man.