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I shove this allllll day vs this guy, and I don't think it's close at all

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Why is shove>700-800? I think he would very often fold some TP´ish hands to a shove, but call the smaller bet.
Is Villain even a bad one really thinking i am bluffing here again?

Any reasons for shove> bet 700-800?

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I would check. And I think if you are going to bet I'd bet like $500.

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If we're making any bet that isn't a shove, we're calling all-in from him I assume, right?

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I would be interested in reading comments that address the facts that Hero appears to be seated to the immediate left of Villian and Villian is a donk. If you are to the immediate left of a medium-stacked donk, doesn't that add value to a check? My read of the comments is that there is rough consenus that shoving ai is a positive EV play, but there is debate about whether it is a large or small positive EV. If Hero has a donk to his immediate right (or one over to his right), shouldn't he be looking for high positive EV opportunities for all of his stack and doesn't that tip the balance to a check behind?

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Wtf?
I think we fold to a c/r. I just doubt that this Villain is able to make a c/r bluff in this spot ( more likely he just shoves river.

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I shove or check behind. A bet/fold line here on the river seems kind of ridiculous

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chizeck

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I shove or check behind. A bet/fold line here on the river seems kind of ridiculous

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that's stupid, guys like this aren't good enough to CR bluff. if i bet it would be like half the pot, i guess i can see a shove ONLY if meta dictated it, but if you have NOT played for stacks with this guy before, i think you should just check and feel triumphant when he turns over his two pair.

it's one of those spots where vs a donk you can make a bet that not only increases your value on the hand when ahead but limits how much you lose on the hand when you're behind and he value slowplays two pair on the river.

usually, you're going to maximization in the form of shoving for value but when it's unclear how often you're ahead and hard for villian to call worse, i make tons of tweener bets which are totally fine when meta is irrelevant vs bad palyers.