Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

turn is most deff a standard call, those who say fold are just trying to slime there way out of facing a tough river decision.

Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

i push here. This looks like a combo draw so hard.

Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

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also, isn't Dazarath the guy that embarassed a fish in a 5/10 live game by making him show his hand after he got stacked ?

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Yes.

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i push here. This looks like a combo draw so hard.

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rofl, this is so bad.

Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

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Someone explain to me exactly what it means to say "he's likely to play perfectly against you on the river".

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Ok, maybe my choice of words weren't correct. My point is that if we call, it should be pretty obvious what our hand is. Therefore when he has some type of combo draw, he can always valuebet when he hits and he can bluff with the correct frequency. I know this is all just a bunch of mumbo jumbo, but without a range it's kind of difficult to show my point.

For example, let's say a spade or a club hits the river, what percentage of the time should we call his river bet? It can't be 100%, nor can it be 0%. If it's 0%, then we're calling his turn bet to dodge over half the deck. But I think that even if we call the river the correct percentage of the time, it's still -EV for us.

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also, isn't Dazarath the guy that embarassed a fish in a 5/10 live game by making him show his hand after he got stacked ?

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I don't quite get if your point is that I'm an ass or what, but I find this to be pretty irrelevant to this thread. Unless you're trying to show that my poker play is somehow terrible due to my lack of live etiquette.

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i push here. This looks like a combo draw so hard.

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rofl, this is so bad.

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yeah ur right my bad

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Therefore when he has some type of combo draw, he can always valuebet when he hits and he can bluff with the correct frequency.

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What is the correct frequency with which to bluff and value bet ? This knowledge could really help my game.

Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

Arrrrrrrrr in.

Re: tough spot vs wiltontilt
 

I think I'd fold here.

Becomes too tough to play this oop on the river. He'll have air here a decent amount, but even his air likely has at least 6 outs against you and there's a good chance he'll follow through with another bluff on the river. Also there's a reasonable chance he has something like 44, 54, 64. Small chance he's mixing it up on the flop with a set or 78 too - this is the kinda thing I try against a good regular once in a blue moon since it's so hard to read. Especially one I have a lot of history with.

So yeah, with a fairly small amount invested I fold here to avoid a really tough river situation.

If you do call here, I think you have to call almost any river.

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Arrrrrrrrr in.

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are you serious? i just said that and jsnipes said it was bad.

i think i know why its bad because even if we are ahead of his range the money villain will make when he calls(i.e. has us drawing dead/slim) doesnt justify a push.