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delta k 10-01-2006 01:39 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
EZ river call

Requin 10-01-2006 02:24 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
I'd fold. Villain is not betting a worse made hand on the river, he'd c/c. Basically all you beat is a bluff, and given the flop call he always flopped something, so he never has total air. He isn't calling the flop with the bare Kh even (unless he's awful). So you beat pretty much only an Ah that decided to play fairly passively, and now wants to bluff.

True 10-01-2006 02:33 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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I'd fold. Villain is not betting a worse made hand on the river, he'd c/c. Basically all you beat is a bluff, and given the flop call he always flopped something, so he never has total air. He isn't calling the flop with the bare Kh even (unless he's awful). So you beat pretty much only an Ah that decided to play fairly passively, and now wants to bluff.

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9-xh, loads more hands, gutshots with or without a heart... a pair with a heart in, etc.

True

Keepitsimple 10-01-2006 02:33 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
I think its a fold. The bet is too large for a blocking bet. So its either a good hand or a bluff.

Fly 10-01-2006 02:36 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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Except the preflop call, this hand is pretty standard, no?

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Requin 10-01-2006 02:37 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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9-xh, loads more hands, gutshots with or without a heart... a pair with a heart in, etc.

[/ QUOTE ] No gutshots call there on the flop, that's horrible. Hands worse than yours will c/c the river I think.

QuentinCompson 10-01-2006 03:10 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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no one likes bet turn, fold river?

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by checking the turn behind we almost force villain to bet the river with any hand... and by calling the river we can get value out of worse hands and bluffs

betting the turn only gains value if a draw calls... any worse made hand will fold... we can be quite sure to see a showdown if we check the turn and call a river bet (or check behind if checked to)

remember, villain only has to have a worse hand about 1 in 3 times to make the river a call (I think that math is somewhat close...)

QuentinCompson 10-01-2006 03:10 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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9-xh, loads more hands, gutshots with or without a heart... a pair with a heart in, etc.

[/ QUOTE ] No gutshots call there on the flop, that's horrible. Hands worse than yours will c/c the river I think.

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A missed draw will never c/c the river

Dumle 10-01-2006 03:59 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
If I intend to call that river bet, I would definately bet the turn.

Dumle

True 10-01-2006 04:58 PM

Re: KTs , Insta call on river with 1 pair
 
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If I intend to call that river bet, I would definately bet the turn.

Dumle

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ummm, this is wrong... If you intend to fold the river, then bet the turn, if you intend to call the river, checking is best.

True


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