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And about the first point in being in control. This is what any fan assumes out of a coach is he can control a team. I'm sorry if I feel like if you can't control a family you are not fit to control a team. Yes, one is an occupation and the other is not. Also, I understand that controlling 22-40 year old men is completely different than your own children, but it is a feeling I have.


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Tony Dungy is a good coach by all accounts and yet his son committed suicide. I would say that it's more like being an NFL head coach precludes someone from being in control of their families because they spend such little time with their families.

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I was just about to bring this up. Does anyone condemn Dungy for fufilling his obligations to being a top 3 NFL coach, and not spending enough time with his family?

Again no concrete facts, but I would imagine the odds of a dysfunctional family of NFL coaches is exponentially higher than a regular "ordinary" working person.

edit: needle, this is essentially the only argument that can be made on my side. if it's not enough for you then we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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How often are NFL coaches even home though? The rigorous demands force them (pulling numbers out of my ass) but I would speculate 80-100 hours per week in the office, and away from home.

I would imagine he's with the NFL team 10 times as much as he's at home.

I just can't damn the person putting in insane hours to fufill his obligation to his job for not simultaneously controlling his household.

edit: and if he wasn't putting in these insane hours and leading his team to the playoffs what 5 straight times? i can damn near guarantee his ass would be fired

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Fonkey,

I'm sorry but that just doesn't cut it for me. I understand that 100 hour work weeks are sometimes the norm at the NFL level. But, that is an excuse and a very lame one at that. A parent is a parent no matter what. We all know kids that ended up fine even though their dads were firemen, policemen, businessman, ect. that worked hours that were out of the ordinary. These parents learned to balance both work and family. I am no parent, far from it actually, but I think that is part of having kids, learn to balance and if you can't do that, well then I would say you are not doing your job as a parent.

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Re: Andy Reid Suspension Speculation Thread
 

Dog fighting for Vick and a drug emporium for reid. If reid gets away with this I hope Goddell rots in hell!

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STG and Fonkey,

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The judge noted that Andy and Tammy Reid love their sons and have supported them through repeated attempts at drug rehabilitation. But he wondered aloud how the parents could be blind to the long list of drugs, guns and ammunition that police found in the Reids' home and vehicles.

"These are highly addictive medications that are just around the house with two addicts in it," O'Neill said. "It sounds more or less like a drug emporium."

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Is it possible that this situation is apples and oranges as well? I guess the arguement can be made that both have clear signs that need to be addressed. But, I can understand where you are coming from and family life has to suffer during the 20 years or so that a person is a coach.

Still, my feelings stay the same. I think I know how I would react as a player on his team and that is I could not trust him.

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edit: needle, this is essentially the only argument that can be made on my side. if it's not enough for you then we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree

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Very fair. I see both sides here pretty clearly and there obviously is a grey area in this case that unless we were to live in the situations that they lived it, have no idea what was going on in the household.

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STG and Fonkey,

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The judge noted that Andy and Tammy Reid love their sons and have supported them through repeated attempts at drug rehabilitation. But he wondered aloud how the parents could be blind to the long list of drugs, guns and ammunition that police found in the Reids' home and vehicles.

"These are highly addictive medications that are just around the house with two addicts in it," O'Neill said. "It sounds more or less like a drug emporium."

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Is it possible that this situation is apples and oranges as well? I guess the arguement can be made that both have clear signs that need to be addressed. But, I can understand where you are coming from and family life has to suffer during the 20 years or so that a person is a coach.

Still, my feelings stay the same. I think I know how I would react as a player on his team and that is I could not trust him.

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Okay, this is pretty much going to be my last point. I believe it's on the individual (probably one of my strongest moral beliefs) to suceed in life. My father passed away at a young age, and my mother was forced to work two jobs to support me.

I'm now a dean's list student at penn state supporting myself through poker, and have never tried drugs in my life. I just can't comprehend that you can blame the parent in a situation like this when both invididuals are in their early to mid twenties.

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I don't know the exact story behind it. But if Reid was either selling/buying the drugs or consuming them, then it's obvious he should be suspended. But if this was done behind his back without his knowledge, then it wouldn't make too much sense to suspend him.

This is different from the Michael Vick case. Vick was a direct financier of a dog fighting ring that involved serious gambling. Unless Reid was directly involved with dealing the drugs or something similar, then it's just bad parenting on his part.

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Imagine if Edgerrin James' cousin gets busted for this.

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No way the Cavs would stand for that!



But ya, I think that if Vick was found to have only known about, but not participated in, the dogfighting, he still would have been suspended. This took place on Reid's property, right?

No question he should be punished by the league.

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Dog fighting for Vick and a drug emporium for reid. If reid gets away with this I hope Goddell rots in hell!

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Are you facking serious?

Michael Vick was bankrolling an illegal, interstate dogfighting operation. Andy Reid has two (adult) sons who are drug-addicted wastes of all the opportunities their dad's career afforded them.

While Andy Reid may be guilty of being a bad parent, that's not a crime, and certainly not one punishable by any NFL regulations. Anybody saying otherwise isn't thinking.

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Why are cocaine sentences MUCH shorter than crack sentences?

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Because people who can buy cocaine can afford good lawyers.

People pinched on crack get the public defenders, or the kind of lawyers that post on this site.