Re: J9s on the river
 

I call here.

Re: J9s on the river
 

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I was confident from earlier play between us that this guy wouldn't fire a third barrel here with a hand worse than mine.

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Please mention things like this in the OP if you want people to take it into account.

I agree that calling the turn and reevaluating has some merit here since he may be pushing a flush or straight draw on the flop and turn. But i think you have to fold the river since it improves a lot of these holdings like QJ AQs KQs.

Re: J9s on the river
 

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Please mention things like this in the OP if you want people to take it into account.


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I intentionally left this out of the original post because wanted a broader discussion on the topic instead of one confined to these specific circumstances. For what it's worth, I think only the decision of whether to call or fold the river is predicated on that specific read.

Re: J9s on the river
 

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i'd call the river since the Q doesn't change much.

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Really?

Re: J9s on the river
 

The way the hand plays out I would either fold the turn or go all the way. I forget who said "don't c/r the flop", but unlike that Q9Xr hand we did a while back where the player continuation bet and a passive player called I think this scenario is quite different (you are more likely to have the best hand and, even though your equity is on the low side you still want to take the innitiative OOP and make sure money is going in on two streets until someone stops you).

If you want an opinion on your judgement: I would fold the turn.

Re: J9s on the river
 

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i'd call the river since the Q doesn't change much.

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Really?

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Interesting. More reading comprehension problems, since villain is a TAG MP raiser suited connectors etc are unlikely and broadway cards have a higher likelihood. I think i'm also mixing up cartman's other post in my head where villain is a 65/35, in which case i would call the river.

I can't tell if you are asking an honest question or being snide? Like i said originally, i'd fold the turn. I'm coming around to cartman's call-turn-fold-river line since if TAG is a rational thinker he'll check through A-hi etc on the river more than your normal 10/20 tard.

Surf

Re: J9s on the river
 

I was being a little snide, but was also curious as to what range you put him on. I'd think the Q would hit him pretty hard, but I don't have many hands at this level and my estimation of such things may be well off-mark.

Re: J9s on the river
 

Fold if he thinks you will call. Does he think you will fold a real hand?

And what does he think your flop raise meant? Does he know you to be a semibluff raiser or would he be thinking you have at least a pair of nines.

Re: J9s on the river
 

id call down on the turn but when the queen hits its a muckersonisville.