Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

So you are only only completing at 3 limpers? Are you raising in the exact same situation but you are the button?

Seems at obvious raise at one limper and even with two getting the BB out would seem beneficial for a mediumish pair.

Anyhow, I think not raising here is bad. Equity edge blah blah.

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

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The river check behind is sexy

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Seconded.

Care to share the thoughts behind that, Marchron?

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A read. He's a checkraiseaholic. So if he had something I'd like to have pay off the river, like say KT, he would have checkraised me beforehand.

So I bet, he'd either checkraise or fold if he was hopelessly behind. I pay two bets to see Jx or a flush and only occasionally snap off K9/Q9/T9.

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

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The river check behind is sexy

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Seconded.

Care to share the thoughts behind that, Marchron?

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IMO this is the default if you can't fold to the c/r.

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

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You have enough opponents so that any overcards would be very problematic. So you're usually banking on the set potential. Your set comes in what, 7.5:1? So it seems like putting extra money in for your 5:1 talk is unprofitable. Do you think the 9s hold up often enough aside from the set to make up for the difference? Pocket pairs are good versus lots or a little, with a few opponents it seems better to just be happy to see the flop.

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Follow-up bump! HEPFAP, Pg 82. You guys will see some familiar numbers:

Odds of flopping a set: 7.5:1 instead of my remembered 9:1.
Suggested odds for calling with a small PP: Around 5:1.

So I guess the answer to my question is: Sometimes. I guess your 5:1 PF raise isn't so nutty laggro afterall. Though there are some other factors to consider which makes it less clean.

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You have enough opponents so that any overcards would be very problematic. So you're usually banking on the set potential. Your set comes in what, 7.5:1? So it seems like putting extra money in for your 5:1 talk is unprofitable. Do you think the 9s hold up often enough aside from the set to make up for the difference? Pocket pairs are good versus lots or a little, with a few opponents it seems better to just be happy to see the flop.

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Follow-up bump! HEPFAP, Pg 82. You guys will see some familiar numbers:

Odds of flopping a set: 7.5:1 instead of my remembered 9:1.
Suggested odds for calling with a small PP: Around 5:1.

So I guess the answer to my question is: Sometimes. I guess your 5:1 PF raise isn't so nutty laggro afterall. Though there are some other factors to consider which makes it less clean.

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When they suggest 5:1 to call for set value they're counting implied odds. Raising and getting 5:1 on the current round is just an equity play, and isn't enough unless your hand is gonna hold up on it's own sometimes, or there are other reasons for raising such as getting a free card.

Also a set won't always hold up, IIRC the odds of flopping a set and it holding up are somewhere around 10:1.

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

My last sentence! Other factors, less clean Etc. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

You've also taken the initiative while you're OOP, which will affect the flow of the betting and could affect the implied odds in ways we don't prefer. You can run into some odd flops that can make your hand very difficult to play. You could reopen the action to the field so anyone can reraise. Etc.

I still think calling is best but I thought that was worth pointing out since I coincidently read that going through the book again anyways. But like I said, raising seems like a more reasonable mix-up now.

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EDIT: nvm, I read your post again and realized I agree with it, lol. I also agree with sharpie that TT is a clear raise and 88 is a clear limp while this is meh

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

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You've also taken the initiative while you're OOP, which will affect the flow of the betting and could affect the implied odds in ways we don't prefer. You can run into some odd flops that can make your hand very difficult to play. You could reopen the action to the field so anyone can reraise. Etc.


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yeah this why I limp here, and raise like 33-77.

Re: in which I only complete 99 from the SB
 

yo march

you played both hands fantastically.

legtilt4tw!