Re: Donk of death the river?
 

I go for the c/r. He may be loose passive but he's got a big hand and I think its a worth the risk of trying to cr

Re: Donk of death the river?
 

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Grease, I like the bet because I always like ensuring a bet goes in.

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Results and further questions
 

Ok, so I obviously won the hand after he called my donk and mucked (he said he had two pair though.)

What if I don't improve? Totally player dependent? I could find a fold here against him because he can definitely beat top pair here, but should I make these thin calls anyways in case he has that 5% brain damage line?

What if the board pairs low? C/R and fold to a trey? Too fancy?

Re: Results and further questions
 

he has 2 pair or a set. c/r because he's not raising if you donk

whoever said KJss is possible has problems reading.

Re: Results and further questions
 

There are cases, though rare at these limits, and usually not with this kind of a player, when he is semibluff-raising with a pair and straight and/or flush draw on a turn. There usually is enough money in the pot to call the river u/i even though you overpair is no good most of the time. I would bet/fold rather than CR/fold if the board pairs.

Re: Results and further questions
 

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when he is semibluff-raising with a pair and straight draw

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this isn't omaha so it's not possible for him to have a pair + straight draw on this board

Re: Results and further questions
 

It never ceases to amaze me what passive live players will check behind with on the river. A couple of months ago in the Bellagio 30 I had set over set 2x (1 time I had the over and the other the under), both times they checked behind neither time was the board at all scary, i.e. the nut hands would make no sense given the action. I have sworn off trying to cr loose passives on the river.

Re: Results and further questions
 

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It never ceases to amaze me what passive live players will check behind with on the river. ... I have sworn off trying to cr loose passives on the river.

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Agreed. Many bad players read the board at each street w/o considering the prior action. That's a prime reason why they often incorrectly miss value bets. That's part of the reason why bet/3 > c/r here.

Re: Donk of death the river?
 

This really feels like two pair(likely QT) more than a set. It seems likely that sets either a) cap the flop after that action or b) wait until the turn to raise.

Given that I bet since alot of loose passives check behind on the river since a scare card came and "the pot is big enough anyway". Haven't this checked through would make me sick.

Re: Donk of death the river?
 

passive players are not raising this river without a straight which in this case he clearly does not have. I would bet here since as already mentioned it is likely the passive player will check behind here.

If the board paired I would only check raise a more aggressive non thinking type player. Thinking players will check behind here and may not pay you off even if they did bet.