Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
 

You have to bet more on each street fwiw.

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You have to bet more on each street fwiw.

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Seriously? 9 into 11 and 23 into 29?

River: Jam says Jam so Jam.

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You have to bet more on each street fwiw.

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Seriously? 9 into 11 and 23 into 29?

River: Jam says Jam so Jam.

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We have the best hand on the flop and turn, like always If he is calling a 3/4 PSB, he's going to call a PSB. Then the river is even a more trivial shove.

Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
 

This is not a good situation to be in w/ a set. Straight and flush possibilities. He hasnt raised but he has hung around. Unless he has the nuts he may not be thrilled w/ his hand so I would put out a blocking bet on the river maybe $25-30 to hopefully set the price. If you want to call that a value bet fine. If I check it might cost me the rest of my stack to find out. I would have bet more on the flop.

Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
 

more on turn, now grit your teeth and shove. you're not going to win always, but shoving is by far the highest expectation here. most people don't even fold AJ to me here

Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
 

Shove. Make him decide if he wants to call with AT, T8, QJ, and a bunch of other one-pair hands.

C/c is terrible. You are basically going to let him check down all his one-pair hands, bet his flushes and straights.

If he has a flush/straight taking the c/c line and the shove line have the same EV. Mise well give him a non-zero% chance to actually put money in with worse hands to balance that out.

If you need a flush to value-shove here than villain's going to have a pretty easy time playing in position vs. you.

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yeah as I look at it now it would set up a perfect size for a river shove

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i'm all for the c/c route. i don't want to fold this hand and villian will bluff at this card a lot.

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What exactly would he be bluffing with?

Do people think about hand ranges before saying "check to induce bluff?"

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A nine could have stuck around and maybe a reluctant ten who called turn hoping we were bluffing the ace (which is never calling the river) and two pair or better raises flop so to maybe call with a hand we have beat he would have to have spiked aces up (and not have raised turn...) or queens up and is willing to call a river shove on that board - pretty optimistic. I honestly think all plays r very close as he has 3 hands IMO, a nine, maybe aces up or maayybe queens up or a flush draw, seeing as both aces up and queens up r unlikely (both to have been spiked and in flat calling aces up on turn) and that a flush draw is a much bigger part of his range, I c/f, I dont expect villain to shove a busted nine too too often with less than a psb left (btw thats what is induced to shove). Also, if i am going for value I prefer betting smaller and reluctantly calling a shove because a shove is almost always a flush and a smaller bet could be a thin value bet with a weaker two pair than a10, but i still prefer c/f, doubt i would have in the moment though. O ya, and def bet more on flop (10) and turn (25-26)

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i'm all for the c/c route. i don't want to fold this hand and villian will bluff at this card a lot.

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winner

Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
 

i don't think there's a question of whether to bet or check this river. the question is should we bet like 1/2-2/3 our remaining stack or just shove. thoughts?