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hand 2: what do you think they're limping with?
that hand has an equity edge against 4 random hands for sure, but against 4 reasonable limpers' hands and oop, i'm not so sure.

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Raise with 44. Yes.

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...What????

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You have an equity edge here. My problem is I don't make plays like this enough.

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Hero is getting 13:1 to complete making this an excellent call because the odds of flopping a set is better than 13:1.(and he does need to flop a 4 to continue because 6 opponents means there is almost 1/4 of the deck out there, someone is very likely to get a bigger piece than the hero).

However if the hero raises - out of position we should add - the hero is making the likely odds 11.5:1.5, which is 7.6:1 - just barely better than the 7.34:1 it takes to flop a set but not a big enough overlay for me to consider a raise out of position but there is an exception to the rule. If the table plays in such a way that it is likely to freeze when the hero checks the flop fearing a monster waiting to trap, then I agree the raise is viable in the long run - but only with this table texture.

In short an equity edge is not the only deciding factor, with a razor thin edge the options should be considered in both directions.

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against 4 reasonable limpers' hands

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let's not get carried away here...

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Raise with 44. Yes.

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...What????

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You have an equity edge here. My problem is I don't make plays like this enough.

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Hero is getting 13:1 to complete making this an excellent call because the odds of flopping a set is better than 13:1.(and he does need to flop a 4 to continue because 6 opponents means there is almost 1/4 of the deck out there, someone is very likely to get a bigger piece than the hero).

However if the hero raises - out of position we should add - the hero is making the likely odds 11.5:1.5, which is 7.6:1 - just barely better than the 7.34:1 it takes to flop a set but not a big enough overlay for me to consider a raise out of position but there is an exception to the rule. If the table plays in such a way that it is likely to freeze when the hero checks the flop fearing a monster waiting to trap, then I agree the raise is viable in the long run - but only with this table texture.

In short an equity edge is not the only deciding factor, with a razor thin edge the options should be considered in both directions.

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Also if hero will ever continuation bet the times he does not flop a set and doesn't have the best hand (assuming no one folds a better hand) then he is putting himself in a reverse implied odds situation and ruining the implied odds of his small pair at the same time, really bad. The JTs hand I consider standard because of the postflop playability (is that a word?) of the hand.

-DeathDonkey

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Also if hero will ever continuation bet the times he does not flop a set and doesn't have the best hand (assuming no one folds a better hand) then he is putting himself in a reverse implied odds situation and ruining the implied odds of his small pair at the same time, really bad.

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at no point when i raise pf in such a multiway pot OOP do i feel it necessary to continuation bet on the flop as a result of my action on the previous street. but i agree if that were the case that would be...the case.