Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

im in the call and get it in on river club.

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

Hi mike,

This is 88 so often. If it's J8, gg. You are (or at least appear to be) tilting, so he's not thinking for a second that the underfull's no good, no matter what you do. This is never a straight, though, as someone said. He has a boat for sure, and 88 or 77 are just the most likely culprits for strategic (more likely to call pre with them than with J8) and mathematical (1 combo of J8s, 4 of 88/77) reasons.

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

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im in the call and get it in on river club.

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I'm not sure why. Don't you think the player described is always full here? Do you think there's any way he could fold a boat with this much in to a guy stuck real bad? I don't. I don't want to risk an 8 or J coming off and him folding 7s full.

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

hmmm yeah good point cero. i was just thinkin like maybe he will fold 88 77 here since he is 700 bbs deep? i guess since he sucks and thinks mike is tilting that he will snap call off. blah i have no experience live though so my opinion is far less than most ppls.

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

mike,

congrats on winning the 28k pot. sucks to be the other guy. must have sucked for him when you pushed all in on the turn and he called with 88

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

from the description of the guy it seems like he is quite competent postflop so he's always full here and it's always the big full or 88.

Plus he said the guy ran it from 3k to 14k. I'm not sure how much he thought you were tilting to get your dough back or if the guy seemed like he's never had 10K+ in front of him before. But someone running it from 3k to 14k is probably not putting in all this with 77. He's got one of the big fulls or as everyone else says 88. More like the big full

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

Assuming Mike [or your typical live player] is stuck, do you fold to a shove here with 88?

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

yes, I'm going to say that this is 98% big full and 88 isn't even that much of a thought. Unless he thinks Mike is stupid I can't imagine anybody but a moron getting 700bb in with the underfull calling or pushing. Where's the sklansky post on the nuts/bb

Re: bellagio 10-20 700bb deep: 2nd-nut boat facing 4-bet
 

i'm not a big fan of your bet sizing

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i'm not a big fan of your bet sizing

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If OP's been raising a lot presumably he's been half-potting a lot on the flop as well