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Hoopster81 04-25-2007 02:02 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
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mythrilfox 04-25-2007 02:10 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
normally hand 1 is A+ in my book but i played against this guy today and he is not folding aj-ak against anyone, which are both fairly likely imo. he could also have two pair. a7 and below will probably fold so i'd have just called his flop raise. (generally i like 3betting more though)

hand 2 why would you raise? you're not folding out better hands, worse hands rarely call, your hand doesn't need protecting, and you risk chasing away hands that you can stack later, like QJ if a diamond makes your flush and their straight, or a lower flush draw. also if youre worried about getting value from worse hands or something you can always get it later in the hand...

TheWorstPlayer 04-25-2007 02:13 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
No one who check/raises AJ-AK here is ever folding it later in the hand. So you really don't need to have any read on the guy, you just have to know that IF he played those hands like this so far, he will not fold them now, so there is no reason to re-raise.

mythrilfox 04-25-2007 02:15 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
i don't agree with that at all

TheWorstPlayer 04-25-2007 02:17 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
why not? based on what do you have a belief that people will c/r those hands on the flop and then fold them later in the hand? my belief is based on hundreds of hands where people have check/raised top pair hands on the flop and then felted them so I have gotten to see their cheese at showdown...

mythrilfox 04-25-2007 02:26 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
i just think that a lot of kinda loose/kinda bad players will c/r there to "find out where they're at" or whatever. it just depends on the player and how loose he is post but there seem to be a lot of weakish players at these stakes who will do it just to talk themselves into a fold. it is pretty easy to rep two pair/set here after all.

like i said this guy isnt doing that but i can think of about 10-15 that i played with just in the past couple of hours that would play their hand like that. also wpr usually has a tight image in my experience with him, so that definitely works in his favor.

FionnMac 04-25-2007 02:31 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
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ipokeder 04-25-2007 02:34 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
hand 2 i wouldn't worry about. he can have Axd, 78d, 98d, J9d, KT for this to be a snap call

emil3000 04-25-2007 02:35 AM

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emil3000 04-25-2007 02:37 AM

Re: I shouldn\'t even have to ask this probably but...
 
But I think hand 2 is a lot better than hand 1, in fact I think it's probably about similar EV compared to flatcalling.


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