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Black winter day

11-14-2007 01:11 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7

Where did you get the 100 figure?

DMoogle

11-14-2007 01:13 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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No folding.

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QFE.
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BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4

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Whats wrong with that? It's not like we're giving villain odds to set mine or anything. Or do you think it looks too strong? I think it's fine.

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It's not that bad if hero min4bets all hands in his 4betting range like this, but i have a feeling that this is not the case.Usually min4bet = KK or AA and our hand is kinda face up.And we do give villain the odds to set mine, he is calling 50 more for 700 hero's possible stack.

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Read the hand again, villain needs to call $100.

He's kind of on the border for set mining odds, but definitely on the -EV sides. $100 into a $300 pot, plus $550 for Hero's stack. So 8.5:1 maximum, but his set equity goes down a little bit in the $300 main pot because of the SS's hand.

I think that jfish's line is the best, $155/shove all turns.

whorasaurus

11-14-2007 01:14 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Button raises to $48, 1 fold, BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4, Button calls $103.40.

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sorry to be such a nit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DMoogle

11-14-2007 01:15 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7

Where did you get the 100 figure?

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Hero PFRs UTG, villain 3bets OTB to $50, BB shortie min4bets all-in to $100, Hero min5bets to $150, villain (BTN) calls $100.

Black winter day

11-14-2007 01:25 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7

Where did you get the 100 figure?

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Hero PFRs UTG, villain 3bets OTB to $50, BB shortie min4bets all-in to $100, Hero min5bets to $150, villain (BTN) calls $100.

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Thanks, i misread the action.Still prefer to isolate him with a bigger reraise being OOP and just stay with the allin guy.Would make it 185-200 or so.

The problem in pots like this is he won't give you a lot of action with hands you crush, because the other guy is allin and you aren't bluffing in majority of the cases.And this size of a reraise might induce JJ-QQ and AK to shove.

Mini4bet looks exactly like a monster.

LouisCyphre

11-14-2007 10:29 AM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

Thanks for all the replies so far.

To summarize:

Pre-Flop there was a 5-bet which villain called with another player being already all-in.

Flop:
Main Pot: $300
Side Pot: $104
Stacks : $530

The majority opinion is to bet and get it in now or on the turn.

Do I also play for stacks if my hand were JJ/TT?

LouisCyphre

11-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($683.30)
SB ($445.70)
BB ($99.70)
Hero ($703.45)
MP ($408)
CO ($374)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Button raises to $48, 1 fold, BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4, Button calls $103.40.

Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $200, Button calls $200.

Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Everyone agrees to get in here with KK.
What is the worst hand you push here?

optionsguy

11-15-2007 01:55 PM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($683.30)
SB ($445.70)
BB ($99.70)
Hero ($703.45)
MP ($408)
CO ($374)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Button raises to $48, 1 fold, BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4, Button calls $103.40.

Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $200, Button calls $200.

Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Everyone agrees to get in here with KK.
What is the worst hand you push here?

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KK, cfolding QQ

LouisCyphre

11-17-2007 12:10 PM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

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Everyone agrees to get in here with KK.
What is the worst hand you push here?

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KK, cfolding QQ

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If you don't go broke here with QQ or less why should a thinking villain go broke here with QQ or less? Therefore I assumed his range is AA/KK for the most part. I check folded the turn. Is my reasoning flawed?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($683.30)
SB ($445.70)
BB ($99.70)
Hero ($703.45)
MP ($408)
CO ($374)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Button raises to $48, 1 fold, BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4, Button calls $103.40.

Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $200, Button calls $200.

Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $331.9 (All-In), Hero folds.

jfish

11-17-2007 12:14 PM

Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)

push turn man.

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