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gobucks27 11-06-2007 03:49 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality
 
Good stuff Bond..real insightful

Tackleberry 11-06-2007 05:24 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality
 
Very nice stuff - as usual. Thank you very much for those insights!

KStV 11-06-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality Lies
 
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It’s okay to tighten up a little if you do find yourself at a table of superior players, but don’t nit it up to the point where they can run over you and you’re to paralyzed to stop them.

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This is such an important concept. As a novice with nitty DNA, I've just begun to learn this lesson the hard way. Thoughtful, observant players (live and online) will pick up on your rigidity and put you in missile lock. By the time you decide to switch gears and fight back, it's often way too late.

KStV 11-06-2007 05:57 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality Lies
 
What about the mantra "the only hand that calls you is a hand that beats you"?

Surely this is true for some bets, but can't it lead to missed value bets, particularly on the end? Do you think this admonishment is over-applied?

Jennifear 11-06-2007 06:38 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality Lies
 
Bond, your posts lately are gems. This series is incredible. thank you for it.

Bond18 11-06-2007 09:22 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality
 
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What about the mantra "the only hand that calls you is a hand that beats you"?

Surely this is true for some bets, but can't it lead to missed value bets, particularly on the end? Do you think this admonishment is over-applied?

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I actually think this one serves some purpose if a player is doing proper hand reading and thinking about what villains hand range is. I don't think i'd put this with the list, thought it might be applied a little to leisurely.

BarryLyndon 11-06-2007 09:33 PM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality
 
Here's one:

"I can't play THIS hand on the button here."

Yes, you can.

"I'm OOP, so I will fold."

There are things you can do OOP. Just think about it.

"I don't want to get called by a dominating ace."

stop it. If you have a chance to make a strong push with the proper stack sizes, you have to do it. Your weak ace is almost never worse than 30%. And remember you have FE.

"I have xx, so I can't call here against this short stack push because it's 25% of my stack. I'll find a better spot.

Please consider the size of the pot and your stack size. If it's +EV, it's +EV, end of story.

Barry

Hattifnatt 11-07-2007 10:55 AM

Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 6, Strategy and Mentality
 
Bond,

Im a big fan of posts likes this that going against the flow in a way and there's waaaay to few of them on 2+2 overall which actually can make reading 2+2, esp the low limit forums hurt more than it gives for some semi-newbie players because about everyone is more or less in the Sklansky/Malmuth-thinking about all the time and/or unable to think about the box.

however, some of the things you wrote here are good. some of the things you stated are overvalued "rules" for many players but some of them actually makes a lot of sense.

for example: I dont know how familiar you are with ICM etc. but a play that is +cEV can be very -$EV, even with a normal pay-out structure, especially late in a tournament and survival IS important in many ways.

I havent read the other 6 of these posts but I will do it and maybe come back with some more (hopefully constructive) critisim.


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