Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

ugh, me neither, although I'm probably not too excited about calling.

A good player doesn't play a set this way.
A bad player might play a set this way, but they also would play AQ and possibly other assorted junk this way as well.

That makes this a call in my book.

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

[ QUOTE ]
ugh, me neither, although I'm probably not too excited about calling.

A good player doesn't play a set this way.
A bad player might play a set this way, but they also would play AQ and possibly other assorted junk this way as well.

That makes this a call in my book.

[/ QUOTE ]

In my experience "bad" players almost exclusively slowplay sets. "Good" players at least get some action going on the flop to make the bets bigger on later streets.

I had a note on a player that he can stack off w/ TPWK. I played a set nearly EXACTLY this way and got it all in on the flop. If villain thinks that OP overvalues TP/Overpair, I can see him playing this way.

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
GSYKES avatar is giving me nightmares!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Losing propbets suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Muhahahahaha I'm so glad I found that for you!

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
ugh, me neither, although I'm probably not too excited about calling.

A good player doesn't play a set this way.
A bad player might play a set this way, but they also would play AQ and possibly other assorted junk this way as well.

That makes this a call in my book.

[/ QUOTE ]

In my experience "bad" players almost exclusively slowplay sets. "Good" players at least get some action going on the flop to make the bets bigger on later streets.

I had a note on a player that he can stack off w/ TPWK. I played a set nearly EXACTLY this way and got it all in on the flop. If villain thinks that OP overvalues TP/Overpair, I can see him playing this way.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bad players come in all varieties. Some slowplay their sets to death, some don't get value off of their sets when they hit because they do stuff like above.

Also, I don't understand your second point. There are always going to be exceptional circumstances like the one that you outline, but do you disagree that a good player in most cases will not play a set like this?

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

I think i have to fold. Generally when i see a min raise and then a call to a reraise I think small pocket pair and AA/KK. I don't think you win here enough to make this call.

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

scimming through the first answers in the thread i was like wtf you guys fold this? that seems so stupid...
i´m never laying this down!

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

oh boy, alot of people need to be redirected to ama's thread again.. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...13#Post12133839

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

I'd say 2 hands in fifteen hands is a read if a minor one. We know our opponent isn't a complete donk maniac.

An earlier poster said "good" players never play sets this way but it surely depends on hero's image.

I'm more inclined to fold in this situation with no read.

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

[ QUOTE ]
Why do you all think villain puts you on AA/KK in my experience villain always puts you on AK on every 3bet hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah or AQ if a K flops or KQ if an A flops, he'll put you on whatever he beats to make the call/push.

Mack

Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression
 

Err, he minraised UTG.. how could we possibly think he's a solid player? Call and cry when you see his superbly played AA or QQ... or 99 or 77 or AQ or whatever he has