Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is spew
 

I think it is fine to do this occasionally against a guy who is stealing so much. As long as your image is good of course

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is spew
 

if he was not raising a limper i would find this a nobrainer.

once you do the 3bet, i think that is an auto bet...unless his folds to cont bets is really low, but i doubt that if he is 17/15 (well he is not against cont bets much anyway)

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

[ QUOTE ]
list the advantages

[/ QUOTE ]

i just did, w/ 96 your 2 pairs are more deceptive and so likelier to stack villain

96 makes more str8 than AT

a pair of Aces w AT in a rred pot is not gonna stack KK-22

i think it really depends upon what hands the villain is willing to stack off with, because usually you're taking the pot down w/o showdown

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

no advantages of AT

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

keikiwai do you think the same if we are in position because I see the following line a lot.
Board Ace, rag, rag
villain checks, hero checks -> hero gets value from TT+ often enough on later streets

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

[ QUOTE ]
no advantages of AT

[/ QUOTE ]

ok, i guess if you do a weak enough pfrr to trap then AT is FUCKIGN AWESOM<E!

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $534.20
keikiwai (MP): $408.85
CO: $348
BTN: $152.55
SB: $852.85
BB: $394

Pre-Flop: 5http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $16</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $40</font>, 3 folds, keikiwai calls $24

Flop: ($86) Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, <font color="red">CO bets $24</font>, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $140</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $308 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $168

Turn: ($702) 2http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($702) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $702 Pot ($3 Rake)
keikiwai showed 5http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Fives) and LOST (-$348 NET)
CO showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (a straight, Ten to Ace) and WON $699 (+$351 NET)

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

[ QUOTE ]
keikiwai do you think the same if we are in position because I see the following line a lot.
Board Ace, rag, rag
villain checks, hero checks -&gt; hero gets value from TT+ often enough on later streets

[/ QUOTE ]

well, ip is different

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

Guys, if you have ATo in a reraised pot and get all-in on the flop on an A-high board, AT is not going to be the best hand. Thats why I'm saying put the pokerstove away, its not about 5-card equity.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

I like 96s.. 96o loses a little value as a 3bet bluff. But you can't automatically label it a bluff. If it works for you, awesome. In this situation I'd say 69s &gt; ATs &gt; 69o &gt; ATo against the ranges you'll get called with.

C-Bet is standard and necessary... more pairs to be folded out than Ax hands in his range.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

[ QUOTE ]
Guys, if you have ATo in a reraised pot and get all-in on the flop on an A-high board, AT is not going to be the best hand. Thats why I'm saying put the pokerstove away, its not about 5-card equity.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is only true for some peoples image, and why these debates are futile