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stabn 10-19-2007 08:59 PM

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this makes me sad

2 years in a row now online poker gets rammed up the ass in october

wonder whats in store for next year

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I suggest investing in lube.

dibbs 10-19-2007 09:01 PM

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2 years in a row now online poker gets rammed up the ass in october

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I really hate October now, it's super anxious month for me.

whyzze 10-19-2007 09:02 PM

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I bet the make an episode of masterminds about this incident.

Teh1337zor 10-19-2007 09:03 PM

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I mean I know this is probably terribly written bc I am tired but I hastily composed this email just to try and make something happen.

Dear Mike,



As a member of the poker community, I feel your representation of the scandal casts a dark shadow over poker as a whole and specifically online poker.

" In a case that illustrates the perils of online betting, a leading Internet poker site said Friday that a hacker exploited a security flaw to gain an insurmountable edge in high-stakes, no-limit Texas holdem tournaments — the ability to see his opponents’ hole cards."



I think you should differentiate between betting and poker, which is a game of skill. I also think it is paramount that you also include secure sites like Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars who uphold integrity at all costs. I think it is very important to distinguish Absolute as a bad apple rather than the norm.



Another element I feel is very important to your story that is missing, is the rallying of the poker community to ensure the integrity of the game. Several people (including Serge Ravitch who you mentioned) worked very hard to expose Absolute and ensure players are playing in a safe and secure environment. These people along with the entire poker community deserve credit for standing for honesty and integrity, something that (thanks to the media) the general public thinks is absent in online poker.



I really think your article unjustly hurts poker's already damaged image. I agree this subject needs to be publicized but I also think it is very important to include the good that has come of this as well as ensure the public that this certainly isn't a normalcy.

dibbs 10-19-2007 09:06 PM

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"When a player is showing down the best hand every single time but folding second best but good hands every single time he is beat, the chance he can see the other players cards is incredibly high," or can see the cards, whatever.

"Value" is just way too vague for my taste there, and it feeds fish theories that thin value bets calls and folds are cheating. Like I said though, I'm nitty about this whole thing [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

TalkingDonkey 10-19-2007 09:21 PM

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yuppppp and we all can thank AP for making online poker illegal like forever

adanthar 10-19-2007 09:22 PM

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As I said in the other thread, I worked extensively with Michael Brunner (the reporter) on this article and I'm really happy about the end result. Except for the headline, which reporters don't really have control over, it's as good a job as we could possibly have hoped for and is completely fair to everyone unconnected with AP.

PrayingMantis 10-19-2007 09:25 PM

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Sadly, anyone who knows anything about journalism and mass media could have guessed that this story is going to look like this: "online poker is rigged". Those guys, generally speaking, don't really care if it's pokerstars or party or absolute. For the average joe (who is the target of all those annoying headlines) they are all basically the same anyway. Now It's the other sites' job to make the differentiation. The media couldn't care less about it.

members_only 10-19-2007 09:30 PM

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From an $11 tourney today:

kweimer: obv
kweimer: gotta win most all of them, actually
kweimer: flips that is
Dealer: Game #12727158186: felpires wins pot (500)
Dealer: The break will start when the current hand finishes
nickjehz: its a art to avoid them
nickjehz: and win it
kweimer: they always seem to come at key moments
kweimer: yes
kweimer: a total ART
nickjehz: i always lose big pots on the river
nickjehz: runner runners
kweimer: well put
bbSi: check the home page at msnbc.com Someone at the table could be seeing your hole cards

Hattifnatt 10-19-2007 09:31 PM

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this is the end of online poker the way we know it. Im glad it became public though.


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