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metsandfinsfan 11-22-2007 11:06 AM

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i voted poop

Pudge714 11-22-2007 12:01 PM

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traz 11-22-2007 12:05 PM

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never really gets old

BeaucoupFish 11-22-2007 12:19 PM

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With this kind of company loyalty, CEO should go for the full $33+ billion

Schmitty 87 11-22-2007 12:34 PM

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lol brilliance from pudge.

serious answer: definitely B since the employees are all willing. if a single one wasn't in on it then the answer immediately becomes A.

Schmitty 87 11-22-2007 12:39 PM

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If I choose C, do they know? I'd probably do that if it just sort of worked out that only John died (this way the remaining wouldn't feel super guilty).

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what? you are so concerned with minimizing the amount of life lost that you'll force death upon an unwilling party rather than allow people their self-chosen equity of .03(death)+.97(5 million)? the employees would feel guilty about you choosing C, sure, but you hiding that fact from them does not make the cause of what would be their guilt (that John was killed, and by your choice) any less appalling.

xorbie 11-22-2007 12:59 PM

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If I choose C, do they know? I'd probably do that if it just sort of worked out that only John died (this way the remaining wouldn't feel super guilty).

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what? you are so concerned with minimizing the amount of life lost that you'll force death upon an unwilling party rather than allow people their self-chosen equity of .03(death)+.97(5 million)? the employees would feel guilty about you choosing C, sure, but you hiding that fact from them does not make the cause of what would be their guilt (that John was killed, and by your choice) any less appalling.

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It is my understanding that John has agreed to a 3% chance at dying.

Perestroika 11-22-2007 01:04 PM

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People kill for fractions of this amount of money. In the end, you only appeal to the semantical side of human nature when debating this kind of question. Although, there are forceful arguments from both sides, what truly counts is what would happen in reality. In reality, this kind of thing goes on everyday, just in the form of war.

Jim14Qc 11-22-2007 02:17 PM

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If I choose C, do they know? I'd probably do that if it just sort of worked out that only John died (this way the remaining wouldn't feel super guilty).

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what? you are so concerned with minimizing the amount of life lost that you'll force death upon an unwilling party rather than allow people their self-chosen equity of .03(death)+.97(5 million)? the employees would feel guilty about you choosing C, sure, but you hiding that fact from them does not make the cause of what would be their guilt (that John was killed, and by your choice) any less appalling.

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You forgot, in your equity analysis, to account for possible friendships within the social world that the company is. Therefore, the equation would be more along the lines of 0.03 (death) + 0.97 (5M) + n/100 (losing a friend) + n/99 (losing a friend) +n/98 (losing a friend) where n is the number of friends hyou have in teh company. You could also write it as 0.03 (death) +0.97 (5M) - 0.03 (VF) where VF is the value you attribute to the company's personnel, as a whole.

I'm a nit.

Obviously the right answer is to let them lottery it up if all of the participants are willing (aka they feel the EV of that is positive for them). This would probably have a waiting list in a poor, unhappy environment but 0 participants in a rich environment. Obviously the willingness to participate is proportional to the inverse of one's wealth and expectation for future income.


BTW, stupid question imo.

nath 11-22-2007 02:22 PM

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BTW, stupid question imo.

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at least he didn't try to tell us that this was a real company and a real situation they were facing.


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