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illini43 10-18-2007 06:25 PM

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 
Thanks CDL, that was a very good explanation and it makes sense to me.

CalledDownLight 10-18-2007 07:50 PM

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 
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Thanks CDL, that was a very good explanation and it makes sense to me.

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no problem

Acevader 10-20-2007 06:32 AM

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 
Bet-three-bet the flop. That way you put the difficult decision to play for stacks on villain. This way you generate maximum fold equity whilst at the same time having plenty of outs of villain has a real hand or a hand he just can't lay down. Btw, if he 4-bet pushes the flop you are calling!

I think c/r'ing the nut draw with overs OOP is a bad play. All you do is build a pot where you have no control over the pot size and whether you can take a free card or not. You've now put yourself in the difficult position of not knowing whether to make a bet on the turn because you have missed and your chances of improving have now halved.

five4suited 10-20-2007 07:59 AM

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 
Grunch.

I'm pretty sure you only have 7 outs. He has 87[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a set. You're getting ~3.4 to 1 direct odds to call, and the implied odds make up for it. A set will call a value bet and if he has a flush he's not putting you on one. If the 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] show up on the river, can you fold? If not, maybe just fold now. Your push is folding nothing he's holding.

pureCra2z 10-26-2007 11:31 PM

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 
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Why is checking the flop terrible? Please explain, I'm curious.

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b/c c/f with the nfd is a pretty bad decision made even worse by the fact that you're the aggressor preflop. c/c is bad because you've taken yourself out of the lead and might as well turn your hand face up. c/r is bad because if he 3bets you're behind the vast majority of the time and have to fold a decent holding. If it checks through and you bet a blank turn then he will only fold worse hands and call or raise better ones. If it checks through and you spring to life its basically impossible to get it in vs. anything, but a flush which you would have gotten it in against by betting the flop anyways. If it checks through and you check the turn then he is going to be able to take the pot away quite easily if he has a worse holding unless you plan on calling down A high, which is not such a good idea either. I think that covers basically all the scenarios. Basically, there is no good line to take if you check the flop, but there are a lot of good lines available to you if you bet the flop.

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Board: 8d 2h 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.476% 58.42% 00.06% 65929 67.50 { Ah9h }
Hand 1: 41.524% 41.46% 00.06%

I put Villain on overpair, set, any suited hearts(no A962), OESD and Hero is 58% to win + FE. How much should Hero 3 bet? (and calling a 4 bet shove).

Shove any turn if Villain calls 3 bet?


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