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Vern 09-11-2006 07:52 AM

Call this river bet?
 
Villain is TAG, 22/11 PF and plays very aggressive post flop when he has a hand.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.6SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

<font color="blue">I raised to protect my hand and to find out there I was, when he called, I figured he was on overcards and not an over pair.</font>

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.8BB, 2 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.8BB, 2 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, Hero...

Ut oh, do I call here? Could he really have capped preflop with AQs or something? Am I wasting a bet calling here?

btspider 09-11-2006 08:43 AM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Villain is TAG, 22/11 PF and plays very aggressive post flop when he has a hand.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.6SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

<font color="blue">I raised to protect my hand and to find out there I was, when he called, I figured he was on overcards and not an over pair.</font>

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.8BB, 2 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.8BB, 2 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, Hero...

Ut oh, do I call here? Could he really have capped preflop with AQs or something? Am I wasting a bet calling here?

[/ QUOTE ]

you're a 68/9 LAP, of course you'll call!

DrModern 09-11-2006 10:02 AM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
drzen,

If you're totally convinced this was the right way to play the hand, just write EXPERT above it and post it in the NC thread.

marchron 09-11-2006 01:51 PM

Re: QQ caps and donk still likes to play
 
[ QUOTE ]
I capped preflop. If he's ever seen me cap and show down, it will have been a big hand. I can't remember whether he has but he won't have seen me get much out of line with my raises. He won't think in figures, I daresay, but he'll figure I raise about the same range he does.

[/ QUOTE ]
If he showed this much thought, he wouldn't be 68/9.

CrMenace 09-11-2006 02:03 PM

Re: QQ caps and donk still likes to play
 
*grunch*
nh

Edit: this is in response to drzn's hand

CrMenace 09-11-2006 02:19 PM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
Villain is TAG, 22/11 PF and plays very aggressive post flop when he has a hand.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, <font color="red"> MP2 raises </font>, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls, <font color="red"> MP2 caps </font> , Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.6SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="red"> MP2 bets </font>, Hero...

<font color="blue"> ...raises? Does this really seem reasonable?
</font>

Just because it is reasonable for JJ doesn't make raising the flop correct. You need AK to tip in favor of raising.

DrModern 09-11-2006 02:22 PM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
Same deal, but "Hero" is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and it's reasonable.

CrMenace 09-11-2006 02:24 PM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Same deal, but "Hero" is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and it's reasonable.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still not enough. You're ahead of JJ and A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], but behind AA and KK.

DrModern 09-11-2006 02:27 PM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
You're ahead of TT plus the chance that villain is spazzing with whiffed overs as well.

CrMenace 09-11-2006 02:47 PM

Re: Call this river bet?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You're ahead of TT plus the chance that villain is spazzing with whiffed overs as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sketchy... these hands are decreasingly likely. But I'm willing to concede that raising here is a coin flip.


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