Re: Playing in retardland...
 

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6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king.

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villain plays TT JJ QQ like this never

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this is villain specific then....

a lot of villains never play AA/KK/AK like this.

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basically saying villain isn't going to make a zero value bet on the turn, i don't see why i can't make this assumption

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and is generally terrible IMO



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I didn't say it was for value.

Re: Playing in retardland...
 

ummm he's terrible obv, but in the std tagfish way, not the will bluff QQ or similar here

Re: Playing in retardland...
 

alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.

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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.

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yeah ez fold against the absolute nits.

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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.

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its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this

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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.

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its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this

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out of position do you think he is more likely to bet JJ or AA?

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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.

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its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this

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out of position do you think he is more likely to bet JJ or AA?

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i don't see how this is relevant... but probably jj

Re: Playing in retardland...
 

so, his range of hands beating us is AK, and he is more likely to bet TT-QQ than KK/AA (which also have a larger amount of combinations).

I think preflop discounts AK a fair bit, so his range is mostly whiffed speculative hands A-x, TT-QQ, AK and AA/KK occassionally.

In my experience his range is weighted towards one that would allow you to call the turn, you disagree. Poker isn't just black and white so we seem to be arguing a point that there is no strict answer to. I don't think it's hugely constructive and I have given my thoughts.

Re: Playing in retardland...
 

i know it isn't black and white, thats why i posted this... i'm honestly just aren't following your reasoning at all (or at least until the last post), so i challenged you. nothing personal

i still don't see why pf can't be ak still tho, and that really is the crux of the question