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Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

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Sure, fly to MN...my course has water on 23 of the 27 holes w/ many carries over water. I would guess a typical 15 handi would shoot about 72-76 from the reds w/ 2 balls. Probably 69-72 w/ 3. Provided it is not a windy/rainy day, this is no problem for me from the tips.

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no 15 would shoot anywhere near par from the ladies' tees scrambling 3 balls. if i'm in MN ever, i'll dig up this thread. no guarantees on how good/bad i'll be though.

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

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So I guess what I mean is, I'd take a bet at 1:1 against a 15 handicapper breaking par, in a scramble format, from the red tees, in one round of golf

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I will bet against the 15 every time. The only thing keeping me from retiring a very rich man is I could not get this bet often enough.

If Ivey is a 15 HDCP. You let him hit 2 balls on every shot he is now going to improve his score by 15-18 shots. Doesn't work like that.

I had a offer similar to this and I am a legit 6 Hdcp. The game was I play scramble, other player plays his own ball. We play from the tips at Grayhawk. My opponent is a +5. I have almost zero chance of winning. If I play well I may shoot close to even. If he plays poorly he shoots close to even. I didn't play.

The only people who think Ivey can win are not serious golfers.

Dave

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

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I will bet against the 15 every time. The only thing keeping me from retiring a very rich man is I could not get this bet often enough.

If Ivey is a 15 HDCP. You let him hit 2 balls on every shot he is now going to improve his score by 15-18 shots. Doesn't work like that.

I had a offer similar to this and I am a legit 6 Hdcp. The game was I play scramble, other player plays his own ball. We play from the tips at Grayhawk. My opponent is a +5. I have almost zero chance of winning. If I play well I may shoot close to even. If he plays poorly he shoots close to even. I didn't play.

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a 15 is is way more likely to shoot par from the reds (improving by about 7-8 strokes) than you are to improve by the same 7-8 strokes or whatever your course handicap happens to be at grayhawk, simply because the 15 plays a much higher variance game and benefits way more from eliminating blowups. it's not a good comparison at all.

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The last paragraph was really more of me just talking. I know it is not really compareable.

Lets take a look at the slope and rating of the course.

From the red tees the rating is 67.0 and the slope is 109. The 67 is what a scratch golfer should average if he played the course 5x. This number does not apply to Ivey. With a slope of 109 and Ivey being a 15, he would be a 14 Hdcp. on this course(113 would get him 15 shots. You get a extra shot for about every 6 points the slope goes up).

From the back tees the rating is 73.0 with a slope of 130. A scratch golfer will average 73 on this course. Pavin shoots about 70 not playing great or bad. This course is nothing to a player of Pavins caliber. There is no trouble on the course.

So basicly Ivey needs to make up 15 shots or so playing 2 shots to make it competitive? If he plays well he can make it close unless Pavin plays real well, in which case it makes no differance what Ivey does because he could not win. This is not a tough game for Pavin.

Dave

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

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From the red tees the rating is 67.0 and the slope is 109. The 67 is what a scratch golfer should average if he played the course 5x. This number does not apply to Ivey. With a slope of 109 and Ivey being a 15, he would be a 14 Hdcp. on this course(113 would get him 15 shots. You get a extra shot for about every 6 points the slope goes up).

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this is wrong. his course handicap would be [15 - (72.0-67.0)] * 109/113 = 9.6 which rounds to 10 if your numbers are correct.

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

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From the red tees the rating is 67.0 and the slope is 109. The 67 is what a scratch golfer should average if he played the course 5x. This number does not apply to Ivey. With a slope of 109 and Ivey being a 15, he would be a 14 Hdcp. on this course(113 would get him 15 shots. You get a extra shot for about every 6 points the slope goes up).

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this is wrong. his course handicap would be [15 - (72.0-67.0)] * 109/113 = 9.6 which rounds to 10 if your numbers are correct.

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Those numbers look nice but that is not how it works. This is what a 15 Hdcp. gets at the TPC from those tees.

Course Handicap Calculator Results

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With a USGA Handicap Index of 15.0 and a Slope Rating of 109,

Find the Range Containing your USGA
Handicap Index for the Slope Rating of
the course you are playing.
Play with the corresponding Course Handicap.
USGA Handicap
Index Play to this
Course
Handicap
+3.5 to +2.6 +3
+2.5 to +1.6 +2
+1.5 to +0.6 +1
+0.5 to 0.5 0
0.6 to 1.5 1
1.6 to 2.5 2
2.6 to 3.6 3
3.7 to 4.6 4
4.7 to 5.7 5
5.8 to 6.7 6
6.8 to 7.7 7
7.8 to 8.8 8
8.9 to 9.8 9
9.9 to 10.8 10
10.9 to 11.9 11
12.0 to 12.9 12
13.0 to 13.9 13
14.0 to 15.0 14 <<<<<<<<<
15.1 to 16.0 15
16.1 to 17.1 16
17.2 to 18.1 17
18.2 to 19.1 18
19.2 to 20.2 19
20.3 to 21.2 20
21.3 to 22.2 21
22.3 to 23.3 22
23.4 to 24.3 23
24.4 to 25.3 24
25.4 to 26.4 25
26.5 to 27.4 26
27.5 to 28.5 27
28.6 to 29.5 28
29.6 to 30.5 29
30.6 to 31.6 30
31.7 to 32.6 31
32.7 to 33.6 32
33.7 to 34.7 33
34.8 to 35.7 34
35.8 to 36.8 35
36.9 to 37.8 36
37.9 to 38.8 37
38.9 to 39.9 38
40.0 to 40.4 39

http://www.usga.org/handicap/slope_c...index.asp?hcp= 6.1
Dave

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

that calculator is wrong. do you really think a scratch golfer is a 0 on a course with 67 course rating? and do you really think a scratch golfer has the SAME handicap on two different courses with course rating 67 and 72, both having the same slope?

that calculation method would also mean that a scratch (index) golfer is a zero on every course in the world, including the reds and tips on the same course.

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obviously, the biggest advantage would be in putting...

you can see the break the first time, and adjust...like in a scramble, the first guy lays up, and shows the other 3 the line...

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that calculation method would also mean that a scratch (index) golfer is a zero on every course in the world, including the reds and tips on the same course.

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He is scratch, he does not adjust, the Hdcped golfer adjusts. If the rating is as low as 67 and he shoots 67, or if it is high as 77 which it is here in Minnesota at Hazeltine and he shoots 77 he is still a scratch golfer. He is always a zero. Iveys handicap would change depending on course diffuclty, not the zero handicap.

Dave

Re: Ivey vs. Corey Pavin golf bet

according to a famous poker pro i talked to yesterday, Ivey has a full-time coach and caddie that travel with him and work on his game. I dont think he will be a 15 for long.