Re: Just got paid.
 

I agree that the SQ are not too likely to become involved. I have already posted my reasons for that opinion.

As to your argument regarding what oversight the "Kahnawake Mohawks" might offer, I'm having some difficulty following the connections you seem to be implying. Your case seems to boil down to little more than this: Some Mohawks in Ontario, 650km from Kahnawake, were involved in shady tobacco, and used to host AP. Over a decade ago, some other Mohawks in Kahnawake were the intended recipients of some smuggled cigarettes. The Mohawks operating legal, licenced cigarette plants in Kahnawake assert their native right not to pay excise taxes. AP is now hosted in Kahnawake. Hence it follows from all the above that the KGC is a toothless front. (Subtext: all Mohawks are bad.)

What the Globe and Mail actually reported on 2007-10-29 includes:
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In an interview, RCMP Sergeant Michael Harvey of the Central St. Lawrence Valley detachment said the leaders of the scheme are not natives, but rather Montreal and Toronto-based biker gangs such as the Hells Angels, as well as Asian gangs and the Mafia. ...

Sgt. Harvey praised the Akwesasne Mohawk Police for their help and said they are working together to build a case that will shut down the key players behind the factories.

There is also a native-run tobacco industry operating legally in Canada in Kahnawake, south of Montreal, and at Six Nations near Caledonia. Police are not accusing those facilities of engaging in contraband, but the documents show federal concern over their compliance with tax rules and health inspections.

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I'd suggest that the questionable activities of Six Nations, Ontario, Mohawks have little or no bearing on what one can expect from the KGC in Kahnawake, Quebec.

I'd suggest that criminal activity a decade ago by individuals who resided in Kahnawake is not a valid reason to question the legitimacy of the KGC.

I'd remind you that the only reason that the vast majority of online poker sites are hosted in Kahnawake, and not outside North America, is because of the exemption that Kahnawkae claims from Canadian laws - the very same reason they aren't paying the cigarette tax.

There may be some legitimate reasons to be concerned about what the KGC can or will do, however, you haven't made the case.

Re: New AP Statement
 

Johnny: How May I Help You?
you: I am in the process of getting a refund.
you: I got $500 of it last night, and then it was taken out of my account.
you: Can you explain to me why it was removed from my account?
you: Someone lied to me on the phone and said it was removed, because it was a mistake.
you: I do appreciate doing business like this.
Johnny: Please hold one moment
you: If I'm not mistaken, most players have gotten their money back already there is nothing that should stop me from being fully refunded already.
Johnny: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
you: I don't appreciate doing business like this*
Johnny: Sir I escalated your information to our management team, they are going to check your account and they are going to contact you back within the next 24 hours
you: That is the same thing I was told yesterday.
you: Roger called me.
you: He quoted, the auditors were looking over things still which I assume they're still doing.
you: He also said it was an "isolated" incident.
you: And that nothing was proven.
you: Then magically $500 appeared in my account.
you: So I know someone is lying to me, and trying to not give me my money back for being scammed.
Johnny: Sir unfortunately there is nothing I can do with this issue, here at the deosit center the only thing that we can do is escalate your information, I already did it so you will have to wait sir
Johnny: Im sorry
you: Alright I spoke with someone last night after I got the $500 back I assume she did the same thing you did.
Johnny: Yes sir, unfortunately thats the most that we can so here at the deposit center
you: You can't even tell me what I called about last night.
Johnny: No sir Im sorry
you: Well I expect I will get a call about 5PM.
you: Hopefully from someone who is going to give me $2,000+
you: That is what you owe me.
you: My refund + interest.
Johnny: Ok sir, I really hope that you get your money

I've filed an official complaint with the gaming executives, they do have my account name via email. Roger if you're reading this I want you to call me and explain why you would give me $500 after I cuss you out then use every excuse in the book to cover the integrity of a scam website. Well after I got the $500 in my poker account I called them back and said "This is only the first step in the right direction of my case." The lady said I can cashout the $500, it was mine and I wake up this morning to find $350 gone. So I am waiting on a call from management, this is getting frustrating the gaming executives have 5 business days to refund me, but their statement says there is no time frame on full refunds, their emailer says it will take up to 2 weeks. God please just put me out of my misery already.

Re: New AP Statement
 

I had got $500 back for their I played in all the BIG games, I knew that something has been up and they would just get banged out of everything for their careless security!!! Unfortunately, I cannot find a lawyer willing to sue for anything under $800/hr.

Re: New AP Statement
 

The 3rd party customer support can't get their heads out of the hole in the ground.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

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...no real expectations of any mainstream media sources to report on the true story of the AP scandal in the future.

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FYI, Gary Wise from ESPN is wrapping up a ~6,000 word story on this scandal. His blog made it sound like it will be out very, very soon.

That should re-kindle quite a bit of interest external to 2p2.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

I read most of the article (Gary sent it over to me to check out and fact check) and it's very good.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Did somebody say that AP was rigged?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($48.80)
SB ($46.10)
BB ($21.20)
UTG ($12.70)
MP1 ($4.75)
Landlord79 ($78.70)
CO ($9.40)

Preflop: Landlord79 is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $4.75 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $4.75, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($9.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($9.85) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $9.85

Results below:
Button has Qh Js (straight flush, ace high).
MP1 has 9s 9h (straight flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins $4.92. MP1 wins $4.92

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

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Did somebody say that AP was rigged?

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Ban for being a moron, and also ban OP for abusing "Loc" feature (if you need another excuse)

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

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Did somebody say that AP was rigged?

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Ban for being a moron, and also ban OP for abusing "Loc" feature (if you need another excuse)

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took care of the loc but not my place to ban.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Absolute Poker's security department told me there is nothing they can do about my refund. Quote "There is alot of people on the refund list, they have to receive hand historys for when you were cheated." I can prove it took more than 1 crook to scam me. Why is it called an isolated incident? Should I just keep after my money??? Absolute Poker 3rd party support is the most unprofessional bunch of dueche bags ever.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

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Should I just keep after my money???

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Yes, push ahead with all your might.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Should I believe all the crackheads that today is the day I get my money back too?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

I don't want to log into my poker account and check the balance because that will make their website have more players.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

AP deleted my account for abusing their customer support reps.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

I want to make a public appology for my behavior on the phone today, here's the story of the phone conversation I was told to call security department of AP. I called the man answered "Hello what do you want?" Immediately got to my skin because I knew the outcome of the call. I said "Yeah have uppermanagement send me my money." bla bla no one is available "We cannot help you." long story short I dropped the N bomb and hung up the phone. I want to personally appologize to everyone because I know how hurtful this statement can be. I am just at the end of my ropes going through the same thing being told no one can help me because I am on a list. I'm sorry to the guy who answered my phone call and then froze my account, but that is not the end of my account if you know what I mean.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

so you're racist? why didn't you swear in some other way if you were angry? the N bomb is not the first word that comes to my mind when i'm mad.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

I am not a racist, I understand how powerful that word is that's why I'm sorry that I dropped the N-bomb. I have been lied to 50 times in the past couple of days on the phone so now we're even. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Got my account back on via the security department, the lady at security says I gambled all my deposits and they can't refund it!!!

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

wtf is going on in this thread

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Ban cmomony?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

John claims VIP management will call me tonight to resolve my complaint. Has anyone had any better luck with getting through to someone with access to the money?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

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5. The suspected period of time of the security breach has been identified. This period is recent and confined to a relatively brief period. The actual dates will be publicly released upon confirmation by the third party auditor.

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Anybody out there actually believe this statement?(Ikestoys excluded)

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leaning that way

1)90% sure the 7 mil article is just weird BS
2)not one person has ever sent me a single hand history prior to mid-August involving a clear superuser

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Better evidence for the time period he was cheating, than a 'HH' proving it, is a history of the superuser account activation under the new user. Remember he was careful at first, then got greedy. This is why evidence appears not to exist. It was a perfect scheme only detected by people with intuition and a better understanding than people who only rely on statistics. It only became much clearer when motivations and patterns changed. As for the people with AP investment... well, when you're defending your livelihood you get pretty creative. Why should unlimited proof be necessary from the side who was right to begin with? Fair enough to say there is only evidence to substantiate a time frame of certain proportions at this time, but I have to reiterate the evidence you are looking at is not the only evidence available.

Reasons AP are denying and covering up everything they can
1) So far they already showed us in sequence their ability for unaccountability, cover up skills and deniability.
2) If there is less knowledge about how long the scam lasted, the less money they have to payout.
3) Kahnawake were their official certifiers while there was cheating, their integrity is already shattered. They are not going to impress me by recertifying them saying 'all fixed'.

I realise, there are plenty of reasons why people would see APs point of view in not responding, not divulging everything, and even outright ignoring people. However, they can't say "continueing to the best and most trusted" unless they always plan on practicing the same deceptive practices, because obviously that is truly deceptive. How about "BestFairest_lol"?

Another interesting point was that the programmer was 'apparently' able to intercept and delay support emails and other information which delayed progress into 'fixing' the problem. Since this guy is so covert and has his finger in everything, how was he unable to doctor the incriminating HHs? Obviously its the most condemning thing of all for him to want to destroy. Why not at least alter some of the past historys, or have them 'mysteriously disappear'? Pretty sloppy for such an ingenius conspiracy.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Oh man around the horn here, Roger calls me asks me what is up? I say if you don't pay me back via poker account then I will be forced to not pay you via credit back. He calls me a sore loser swears I wasn't involved with the cheaters or I would have my money back already. He says "that is your credit, I can teach you how to play cards I have family in Virginia." I informed him I never have lived in "Virginia" I live in West Virginia you dumbass. Lolol Anyways I called both credit cards after Roger said I was a sore loser that I lost fair, I have to sign 5 pieces of paper, then they are both going to mail absolute poker the notice they aren't getting their money. The lady at the credit card fraud department said they would not bother to write them back and therefore I would not owe any money, [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) There is some justice here for anyone who owes about $1000 because of this garage. I am clean as a whistle, my loss here now is the cell phone minutes that my dad warned me of earler. So you dirty Costa Rican's can go to Jolly Pirate Donuts and take a 2 hour [censored] for all I care.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

lol cmomony